Creationist museum auctioning 40,000 year old mastodon skull

[thardey]

There are old earth creationists who date the earth anywhere from 20,000 to 200,000 years old. A minority, but they're out there.

 

[Omar B]

Here's my question.
If scientists date it 40,000 years, but the premise of the group selling is that science is wrong, then, how does truth in advertising laws effect the listing?
Or, is it hypocritical or wrong to claim what one believes is false to be true just to make some money to promote that belief?
actually, that made my head hurt.

It's an interesting question you pose, but I think it's better it is out of their hands if they don't believe in the basic science behind it. If they make a profit and it keeps their place open forever how long then they are find with it.

It's like trading in conflict diamonds. You know the truth behind each diamond yet you would rather have a beautiful bauble that see the truth behind it.

 

[Whitebelt]

That is the ULTIMATE coffee table decoration!

 

[Andrew Green]

To clarify one thing, it is the auction house selling it on there behalf that lists it as 40,000 years old, the article doesn't say how old the museum claims it to be.

 

[Omar B]

I just hope it ends up someplace where people appreciate it for what it is and what it represents. I would love to see it go to a children's science museum.

Ever wonder why they don't make more castes of these fossils? It's like the only time you see prehistoric beasts is at the museum or on TV. I'm a huge art nerd and would love to see full repro skeletons in parts as installation art or sculpture (howevr you wanna think about it).

 

[grydth]

Here's my question.

If scientists date it 40,000 years, but the premise of the group selling is that science is wrong, then, how does truth in advertising laws effect the listing?

Or, is it hypocritical or wrong to claim what one believes is false to be true just to make some money to promote that belief?


actually, that made my head hurt.

There is a very great amount of material on the market, in many fields, of shall we say uncertain authenticity.

Is the postmark on that stamp real? Is the autograph on the ball genuine? How old is that katana, and who made it? I've never heard of that rifle being used in that campaign..... and so on. Add to this the fact that most sellers aren't specialists or experts..... and that often experts disagree...... and one sees this is nothing out of the ordinary.

The seller on some occasions may say, " as is" , or note in the description that uncertainty exists or cite the authority.

Is it hard commerically dealing with material you find abhorrent? Not really. I collect and research items from the Russian Front of World War II.... yet strongly believe that Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia were 2 of the worst monster states ever created. Shopping and buying the stuff is easy..... you get struck when you realize you've got a package receipt from a Concentration Camp or a death notice for a family's 4th son in your hand.

 

[KempoGuy06]

actually, that made my head hurt.

Mine too, but I see the point you are trying to make

B

 

[Steel Tiger]

This is one of the stranger things I have heard for a while. Interestingly, the article lists two rather high costs for the museum recently, the allosaurus legal thing and the restoration of the mastodon skull, as a result they are selling pieces from the collection. It doesn't seem like a very big museum so I'm wondering just how many exhibits there will be left after the sell off.

This whole thing raises some questions for me. 'Young' creationists I can get my head around, they just write off scientific investigation of the past as evil, or just go "blah, blah, blah," and cover their ears whenever it is mentioned. 'Old' creationists are quite a bit more perplexing. These people accept something of the age of humanity, a position that puts them in some degree of agreement with science.

I do wish that people would realise that it is not religion's job to explain the past. Telling people that the world is only 4000 years old does not salve their souls or comfort them with regard to what happens beyond death. If the Bible is a history text for the whole world, then it is the worst one in existence. The Old Testament is the mythology of the Jewish people, they need to accept that and move on. They should stop trying to interpret the world so that it fits into the text. They'll feel better and won't have other people yelling at them all the time.

 

[Xue Sheng]

just as a note

science, I beleive, has the youngest dated mastodon sites range down to about 9000 years ago and I beleive the bible claims the earth is 6000 years old.

But if the world is only 4000 years old then the Xia dynasty was from 2000-1750 B.C per Chinese historians. So apparently Chinese history is off by about 7 years and they were BRILIANT 4000 years ago. Damn they just poped into existance and already had a dynasty. And if humans and dinasuars existed at the same time then that sure as hell clears up that whole dragon thingy

 

[Steel Tiger]

just as a note

science, I beleive, has the youngest dated mastodon sites range down to about 9000 years ago and I beleive the bible claims the earth is 6000 years old.

But if the world is only 4000 years old then the Xia dynasty was from 2000-1750 B.C per Chinese historians. So apparently Chinese history is off by about 7 years and they were BRILIANT 4000 years ago. Damn they just poped into existance and already had a dynasty. And if humans and dinasuars existed at the same time then that sure as hell clears up that whole dragon thingy

Yeah, 6000 years is more like it. Got my numbers wrong there, oops:duh:.

And we all know that the Chinese are either one of the lost tribes of Israel or a product of Satan .

 

[Xue Sheng]

Yeah, 6000 years is more like it. Got my numbers wrong there, oops:duh:.

And we all know that the Chinese are either one of the lost tribes of Israel or a product of Satan .

Still 2000 years to come from Eden to the Xia dynasty... that is pretty impressive

Agriculture, irrigation, raising cattle, use of bronze, writing with pictures, silk.... all in 2000 years after being cast out of Eden