Churchill Saw It Coming

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Churchill Saw It Coming
Posted By Julia Shaw On December 3, 2010 @ 4:00 pm The Heritage Foundation EXCERPT:



One hundred and thirty six years ago this week, Winston Churchill—arguably the leading statesman of the twentieth century—was born. The son of a British father and an American mother, Churchill is often remembered for his formidable oratory skills and his love of fine cigars. Yet Churchill was also a great friend to America whose warnings about the empty promises of the nascent welfare state have come to fruition.
A great admirer of America, Churchill especially praised our founding document: “The Declaration is not only an American document. It follows on the Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights as the third great title deed on which the liberties of the English-speaking peoples are founded.” Though Britain and America were two separate nations with different forms of governments, they were united in principle: “I believe that our differences are more apparent than real, and are the result of geographical and other physical conditions rather than any true division of principle.” As Justin Lyons explains in “Winston Churchill’s Constitutionalism: A Critique of Socialism in America [1],” Churchill’s ideas about individual liberty, constitutionalism, and limited government “stemmed from his explicit agreement with the crucial statements of these principles by the American Founders.”
When Churchill saw America’s principles of liberty, constitutionalism, and limited government, threatened with the rise of the welfare state, he admonished America to resist this soft despotism. In “Roosevelt from Afar,” Churchill admits that the American economy was suffering when FDR took office, but FDR used this crisis as an opportunity to centralize his political authority rather than to bolster the free market through decentralized alternatives. Churchill commends Roosevelt’s desire to improve the economic well-being for poorer Americans, but he critiques Roosevelt’s policies toward trade unionism and attacks on wealthy Americans as harmful to the free enterprise system. Drawing on Britain’s experience with trade unions, Churchill understood that unions can cripple an economy: “when one sees an attempt made within the space of a few months to lift American trade unionism by great heaves and bounds [to equal that of Great Britain],” one worries that result could be “a general crippling of that enterprise and flexibility upon which not only the wealth, but the happiness of modern communities depends.” Similarly, redistribution of wealth through penalties on the rich harms the economy: “far from depriving ordinary people of their earnings, [the millionaire] launches enterprise and carries it through, raises values, and he expands that credit without which on a vast scale no fuller economic life can be opened to the millions. To hunt wealth is not to capture commonwealth.” Ultimately, attacks on the wealthy only serve as a distraction from other economic issues.
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Ultimately, attacks on the wealthy only serve as a distraction from other economic issues. Like 9.8% unemployment???
 
Ultimately, attacks on the wealthy only serve as a distraction from other economic issues...

If this was brought on in response to the debate over whether or not to extend the "Bush tax cuts" for those earning over $250,000 a year, let's be clear. Attacks on the wealthy and a tax on the wealthy are two different things.
 
Oh-oh ... don't press my Trade Union button ...

There are many reasons to admire Churchill, indeed I have made something of study of him since my teenage years. However, he was not an oracle of Rightness on All Things. The major reason why he didnt like trade unions is because he was an aristocrat and we came a couple of breaths away from a Bolshevik revolution in this country. That Class Warfare bomb was only defused by the outbreak of the First World War.
 
Mark

gratifying to see a reply from you. Please consider amending and expanding your contributions.

What an extraordinary man and leader

I greatly admire him. And do not treat him as a candidate for beatification.

And always recall the Cairo conference, Gertrude Bell and carving up the Ottoman empire, Trans jordan, the Hashimite Kings and on and on...

And of course, Gallipoli.

all best wishes, A
 
You shouldn't worry about the 9.8% unemployment, it may go much higher after January 1.


While I don't expect that unemployment will get lower than 9%, given current trends and the way the government manipulates the data, I don't expect it to get higher than 10%, either.

In fact, I'm betting on around 9.2% and steady for 2011.

See here
 
I appreciate churchill for what he did during world war 2. However, I didn't have much time for him otherwise for his other views and such.
 
I appreciate churchill for what he did during world war 2. However, I didn't have much time for him otherwise for his other views and such.

Churchill was a great leader, but I don't see that he has any credentials to be lecturing on economics or finance.

"[the millionaire] launches enterprise and carries it through, raises values, and he expands that credit without which on a vast scale no fuller economic life can be opened to the millions"


that is an assumption, and a simplistic one.

For the last 30 years more wealth had been concentrated in the wealth classes and the middle class has shrank and made little gain, in fact the middle class is worse off than 30 years ago so evidence is to the contrary.
 
I appreciate churchill for what he did during world war 2. However, I didn't have much time for him otherwise for his other views and such.

Well, yeah, the guy was a racist, for one.

"I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place."Winston Churchill, 1937

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

Of course, he was a product of his time, and a great many of his countrymen were racist, but some of his expressions were beyond the pale-he also advocated eugenics-the euthenasia and sterilization of the handicapped. He was also something of a political opportunist who fought against socialism before and after WWI, but was all for it during the war. He applauded Mussolini's fascism as being anti-communist:

Fascismo's triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism,it proved the necessary antidote to the Communist poison."

And he loved war. We can appreciate that for his WWII leadership-men like him, and Patton, are necessary at times, but-like the rest of us-the man was far from a saint.
 
At least he was aware he was not the man for peace time...
 
At least he was aware he was not the man for peace time...

didn't he run for pm again in the 50s and win? iirc he spent the better part of the 20s and 30s in the political wilderness due to his lack of judgement...he was viewed as a has been.
 
didn't he run for pm again in the 50s and win? iirc he spent the better part of the 20s and 30s in the political wilderness due to his lack of judgement...he was viewed as a has been.

Do do believe he retired, but history class has been a long time ago.
I do recall reading a quote tho where he acknowledged that peace time requires a different set of skill than war.

After the Conservative Party lost the 1945 election, he became Leader of the Opposition. In 1951, he again became Prime Minister, before retiring in 1955. Upon his death, the Queen granted him the honour of a state funeral, which saw one of the largest assemblies of statesmen in the world.

I stand corrected...
 
It wasn't so much that he was seen as a "has been". More of a trouble maker, given to switching parties if the one he was currently in didn't have a policy set he approved of.

You can view that either as his being a 'chancer', lacking loyalty, or as being a man welded to his own principles. I prefer the latter, more admirable, view. He switched parties several times, sitting with all three in the end; each time was on a clash of principle with those 'above' him.
 
It wasn't so much that he was seen as a "has been". More of a trouble maker, given to switching parties if the one he was currently in didn't have a policy set he approved of.

You can view that either as his being a 'chancer', lacking loyalty, or as being a man welded to his own principles. I prefer the latter, more admirable, view. He switched parties several times, sitting with all three in the end; each time was on a clash of principle with those 'above' him.


He was a member of the Liberal and the Conservative Parties at various times. The proper and original Liberals not the misnamed American ones.
 
He was a member of the Liberal and the Conservative Parties at various times. The proper and original Liberals not the misnamed American ones.


American Liberals? Sure you don't mean the Canadian Liberal party? Don't recall there has ever been an American Liberal party.
 
American Liberals? Sure you don't mean the Canadian Liberal party? Don't recall there has ever been an American Liberal party.


I mean the people you call liberals when you mean socialists. I said Liberals btw not Liberal Party.
 
I mean the people you call liberals when you mean socialists. I said Liberals btw not Liberal Party.

I am Canadian, when we use Liberals or Liberal, we mean the party or its members, when we use liberal we mean what they Brits do, the socialists are called socialists and are another political party.
 
I am Canadian, when we use Liberals or Liberal, we mean the party or its members, when we use liberal we mean what they Brits do, the socialists are called socialists and are another political party.


Ok, I said he was a member of the Liberal Party and the Conservative party, then I said that this is Liberal as in proper Liberals ( probably as you know them then) not the American Liberals who are really Socialist. Capital L is usually for members of the political parties or people of that political persuasion, small l is used as in 'he was liberal with the drink'., small l isn't political, capital L is.
 
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