Chung Moo Doe, Oom yung doe, or whatever it is now called

[deadhand31]

Hi,

I just came from the Chung Moo Doe studio in Somerville, MA. today (July 10th @ 4:00pm) and spoke extensively with one of the instructors, a young Korean/American.

Again, he was an enthusiastic and skilled practitioner, very happy and proud of Chung Moo Doe, and quite the businessman.

Similar to the legacy left behind by Fred Villari and his United Studios of Self-Defence in the Boston area, Iron Kim may be a royal fake, but his students are gallantly carrying on and expanding his martial arts dream.

The only dream that Shyster Kim had involved the emptying of wallets. He is not a pioneer by any definition, he is simply a scam artist. The only thing he was qualified to teach was Tae Kwon Do, if that.

In fact, some of Iron Kim's students may very well have surpassed their master in ability just as, I'm sure, many of Fred Villari's students have made a quantum leap past him.

They made a leap past Shyster Kim? probably by doing something unlike him, and being honest!!!

From the generous demonstration presented to me by the Chung Moo Doe students, Chung Moo Doe is obviously heavily influenced by the circular techniques of Chinese Kung fu, and philosophically by Taoism; rather than the linear techniques of Karate and Buddhist philosophy, all from the Korean perspective.

Alot of the chung moo doe circular patterns MAY have been influenced by Kung Fu, but it probably came down to what Shyster Kim thought could pass as Kung Fu, and dupe people into believing it. It would be rather hard to have a genuine influence if the guy who invented the art never had instruction in any of the arts he claimed to teach. Could this be one good Chung moo doe school that has wisely abandoned all of the Chung Moo Doe teachings, and instead teaches a genuine martial art? Doubtful, but hey, stranger things have happened.

 

[Kevin Walker]

The only dream that Shyster Kim had involved the emptying of wallets. He is not a pioneer by any definition, he is simply a scam artist. The only thing he was qualified to teach was Tae Kwon Do, if that.



They made a leap past Shyster Kim? probably by doing something unlike him, and being honest!!!




Alot of the chung moo doe circular patterns MAY have been influenced by Kung Fu, but it probably came down to what Shyster Kim thought could pass as Kung Fu, and dupe people into believing it. It would be rather hard to have a genuine influence if the guy who invented the art never had instruction in any of the arts he claimed to teach. Could this be one good Chung moo doe school that has wisely abandoned all of the Chung Moo Doe teachings, and instead teaches a genuine martial art? Doubtful, but hey, stranger things have happened.

Yes, similar and equally strange things do happen, like the students from the former United Studios of Self Defense turning out to be decent martial artists, or the same for student's of Toyko Joe's!

 

[deadhand31]

Yes, similar and equally strange things do happen, like the students from the former United Studios of Self Defense turning out to be decent martial artists, or the same for student's of Toyko Joe's!

Well, the general concensus with Fred Villari's schools is that they are hit and miss. Some are good, some are bad. However, Fred Villari actually had legitimate teaching in the systems he represents. Shyster Kim did not. Shyster Kim didn't even have ILLEGITMATE teaching in the styles he taught. To compare him with Fred Villari is like comparing a competent doctor to a guy who watches ER regularly.

 

[Kevin Walker]

Well, the general concensus with Fred Villari's schools is that they are hit and miss. Some are good, some are bad. However, Fred Villari actually had legitimate teaching in the systems he represents. Shyster Kim did not. Shyster Kim didn't even have ILLEGITMATE teaching in the styles he taught. To compare him with Fred Villari is like comparing a competent doctor to a guy who watches ER regularly.

Hi,

I think the same can now be applied to the Chung Moo Doe franchise, some are hit and miss, and the one in Somerville, MA., from my observation, is a hit.

Also, exactly what kind of 'legitimate' training did Fred Villari receive? He's been a standing joke here in the Boston area for decades. Even you pointed out that Iron Kim had Tae Kwon Do training, which is legitimate training.

Fred Villari's franchise teaches styles never studied by Fred, just as is occuring in Iron Kim's franchises. Maybe I should start a "Toyko Joe's" martial arts franchise? Coudn't hoit?