Certification

[terryl965]

Online no one can see you teach or work out.

I workout on line I do the two finger typing and eye adjusting drills. Does that not count.

 

[terryl965]

Ah, OK, that makes sense.

Yes especially senxe the other poomsae where around before those Tae Gueks

 

[dancingalone]

Thanks for the information, Gentlemen. Perhaps I will pursue it some day.

 

[terryl965]

Thanks for the information, Gentlemen. Perhaps I will pursue it some day.

You are welcome and maybe it will be and then again maybe it is not necesary for you.

 

[searcher]

I am not KKW certified, but I do hold certifications from other orgs. What has my cert. done for me? VERY LITTLE!!!! Up until I started teaching at the YMCA a day per week, it hung on the wall and collected dust. I am really liking not having to answer to anyone, but my instructors.

 

[IcemanSK]

I don't really have any standing in this discussion because I won't be eligible for certification till my next test, for shodan, this summer. But I can say that I don't think you'd have to learn the Taegeuks, d.a. My instructor, 5th dan certified KKW, gets all his new black belts certified at the KKW, and we never do the Taegeuks, along with a bunch of Japanese kata at advanced colored belt level. I don't think you actually have to submit a CV with your student's application vouching for their adherence to the official KKW curriculum. We do the Palgwes, and all of my instructor's students who succeed in their shodan test get KKW cert. So in principle, at least, the Taegeuks aren't a roadblock...

I actually know a school is my town that gives KKW certs & they do no forms whatsoever! I've never checked to see if these BB's actually have legit KKW certs, however.

 

[terryl965]

I actually know a school is my town that gives KKW certs & they do no forms whatsoever! I've never checked to see if these BB's actually have legit KKW certs, however.

We have the same here and you know the Lopez does not fo poomsae

 

[exile]

I actually know a school is my town that gives KKW certs & they do no forms whatsoever! I've never checked to see if these BB's actually have legit KKW certs, however.

We have the same here and you know the Lopez does not fo poomsae

See, this is what's so interesting about the issue of certification: the credibility of any cert rests on the belief that there's an enforced standard. The outfit that issues the cert is the guarantor that certain benchmarks are satisfied. But you have to wonder, how much actual oversight is there? As Terry's earlier post suggests, when you yourself are KKW certified at a certain rank, the level of scrutiny drops significantly. I'm not saying the outcome is necessarily bad: I'm way happier that my instructor, a traditionalist `old-school' practitioner and instructor to the bone, has us ignore the Taegeuks in favor of the Palgwes, and includes most of the ancestral O/J kata from our SMK lineage. But in general, it's pretty clear the KKW isn' exercising—and logistically speaking can't exercise—micro-oversight. As far as I'm concerned personally, that's great; but it shows you that the whole certification thing is kind of a myth that everyone sort of agrees not to examine too closely.

 

[Laurentkd]

We have the same here and you know the Lopez does not fo poomsae

I always assumed as much, but never heard it come from anyone who really knew. I'd be happy to hear what you know sir, so I can final,y have a valid source (namely you) to back up what is only my theory. Please understand I am not questioning your truthfulness in the above statement, but only wondering what all you have heard about the Lopez family, or any of our Olympic athletes in general, and poomsae training. I would love to hear more.

 

[Brad Dunne]

In the past, Olympic TKD was strictly sparring. It has been only this past olympic period, I think, that forms were included. Again, if I'm not mistaken, there are new mandatory forms that are part of national/international competition. There should be a thread about it. When anybody was attempting to go for the nationals to get a berth in the Olympics, sparring was the only venue, so folks like Lopez, Limas and other's didn't have to do forms.

 

[YoungMan]

The only people who would really care about KKW certification are fellow KKW black belts, Instructors in other organizations, and people you might deal with as part of your teaching duties (so that they know you're legit).
Non-TKD people and non-MA really wouldn't care, since it would be meaningless to them anyway.
My first two Dan certificates were Chung Do Kwan certificates signed by Mr. Uhm. My 3rd, 4th, and 5th Dan certificates were KKW issued.

 

[IcemanSK]

The only people who would really care about KKW certification are fellow KKW black belts, Instructors in other organizations, and people you might deal with as part of your teaching duties (so that they know you're legit).
Non-TKD people and non-MA really wouldn't care, since it would be meaningless to them anyway.
My first two Dan certificates were Chung Do Kwan certificates signed by Mr. Uhm. My 3rd, 4th, and 5th Dan certificates were KKW issued.

I would imagine that since now GM Uhm is the president of the KKW that at one of your KKW certs are also signed by GM Uhm.

 

[troubleenuf]

The only people who would really care about KKW certification are fellow KKW black belts, Instructors in other organizations, and people you might deal with as part of your teaching duties (so that they know you're legit).

How does owning a Kukkiwon certrificate prove you are ligit? They provide no oversite. They sell certification to basically whoever has the money. I dont even care anymore what certification someone comes in with. If I ask them if they have experiance and they say yes I train them for two weeks and then sit down with them to place them at the level that I feel they would be the most successful at. If they have a black belt I tell them they can keep it but I wont test them till the next level until they are up to our standards. I have had Kukkiown certified black belts who have volunteered to basicially start over with their training. I have also had non Kukkiwon certified black belts who were very good and fit right in. In other words a Kukkiwon certificates proves only that someone, someplace, tested him to black belt according to that persons standards. Not a standard put in place by the kukkiwon.

 

[YoungMan]

It shows you are legit by showing your rank is backed by a recognized credible organization, versus having your Instructor say you're 5th dan. I'm not taking away from other orgs, btw. It just helps your credibility to be able to say the Kukkiwon, recognized in over 100 countries, issued me this certificate. I'm not saying I'm 5th dan, they recognize me as such.