Sapper6 said:
yeah, Canada is great! you movin' soon...? i don't see why not, with this place being so f'ed up
You are back to Canada, again. Whew. I thought you said you had nothing against Canada.
Sapper6 said:
we aren't talking about slavery here mikey. try to stay on topic if you can. you have a tendacy to rant off topic alot and get people lost. slavery in our countries history has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. why the diversion...?
My paragraphs, and sentences usually come together into 'thoughts'. I got yelled earlier in this thread for speakly slowly, so everyone could follow along. What I think we are talking about is that, in your opinion, the United States government is superior to all other governments. Yet, someone has pointed out that the Canadian government provides more freedom to homosexuals, in regards to constitutional protections and marriage rights. Now, despite these additional protections for homosexuals in Canada, you continue with your premise (The US Government is superior) because we 'fight for what we know is right'.
By this last assertion, I can only assume you are referencing two items, the Presidents proposed Constitution Amendment adding a dictionary clause to the Constitution, and the eleven state referenda outlawing gay marriage from the November 2nd elections.
I just wanted to point out a bit of history (aka the whole slavery thing) to demonstrate that the United States people, at one point in history at least, were able to think about an issue enough to change their collective minds; to appropriately amend the Constitution (aka The Law of the Land).
It's been done in the past, it might happen again. Hopefully soon, and this time on the subject of homosexuality.
Sapper6 said:
of course, i have an understanding foreign governments elsewhere, and i will still say ours, although having it's fair share of downfalls, still comes out on top. i couldn't help but notice your claim to that tribal government existing for 70,000 years. i don't believe that's even possible but if you say so. we live in a modern society here man. i don't believe the two are even comparable, but again, if you say so. and just so you know, it doesn't take all that much scientific understanding to predict a tsunami. didn't you pay attention in science class...? for god's sake, a 12 year old briton girl saw it coming, what makes this tribe so special...? don't preach science to me, you're bound to lose if you'd like further elaboration on this matter, feel free to PM me. i'd rather not take this thread even more off topic than it already has gone.
Did you read the article on the other end of that hyperlink? You know, the letters that were blue, with http:// on the front of them?
And, if you are so wise in the area of science, why do we have 150,000 dead in Asia?
And for the record, Yes, I paid attention in Science class, right up through Chemistry, which I dropped because the instructor said I needed to get a calulator, which I felt made it a math class. -- Now, that's a 'rant off topic'.
Sapper6 said:
you ask..."I am curious why you will defend my belief that my gay mother-in-law and her lover deserve to share their relationship with the community through marriage, but you will not support the legal possibility of that happening?"
whatever the law, that's what i support. it's my job. i'm not so shallow that i'm offended by the actions of two women holding hands in public, or men for that matter. whatever they desire, it doesn't concern me. i could care less of course. we're obviously different. i have faith in my government, regardless of the party governing the people. this topic is obviously a little personal to you. i'm going to show myself out of it now.
In case you haven't heard, the law on the matter of gay marriage is determined in each state. You keep talking about the United States government. They are different entities you know. How is it that you can defend the United States government for something that, currently at least, is not covered by its authority? You have heard that gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts, haven't you?
Sapper6 said:
perhaps a new thread is in order. here's an idea for thought: what's more patriotic? support of your government, even if you don't agree entirely with it's recent actions. or...bashing your government and finding every little fault it's experienced since it's inception?
'every little fault'. Wow. Won't it be funny if, say, 100 years from now, the citizens of the United States at that time view gay marriage and slavery as similar oppressions; denial of rights to a specific group of human beings based on something so trivial as the color of their skin or who they like to kiss. I'm sure they will all think those earlier oppressions were 'little faults'.
Mr. Sapper, I have not bashed my government in this thread. At least twice, you have expressed a desire to throw me out of the country of my birth, citizenship and loyalty. I find those statements repulsive. If your job is truly to uphold the law, I find the attitude cavalier and unappealing. It does not speak well for you or your profession.
Sincerely,
Michael Atkinson.