Budget cuts in the field kitchen?

[ballen0351]

No matter how hard I can't bring myself to feel outrage over this MRE thing.

Its not a big deal if there is no alternative but when you can easily feed them hot chow there is no reason not too.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Its not a big deal if there is no alternative but when you can easily feed them hot chow there is no reason not too.

Everyone agrees we need to make cuts, but nobody agrees on what to cut. This is a cut. Nobody gets hurt. They may re-think re-enlisting, but this is a cut we can live with.

 

[ballen0351]

Everyone agrees we need to make cuts, but nobody agrees on what to cut. This is a cut. Nobody gets hurt. They may re-think re-enlisting, but this is a cut we can live with.

Really Im not sure how its a cut when an MRE costs more then a plate full of powdered eggs and lowest bidder bacon. The labor to cook it is already paid for. I prefer not to make cuts they effect out military members serving in a war zone. Cut chow for the Marines back home that are safe.

 

[Touch Of Death]

maybe you need to eat them for a year then

I hear Tuna Casserole is pretty bad!

This isn't about my diet, this is about our tax dollars. If you want to make sure they have hot meals, you and some like minded individuals should pay for it. Vote for the guy who wants to throw money at the military.
Sean

 

[ballen0351]

This isn't about my diet, this is about our tax dollars. If you want to make sure they have hot meals, you and some like minded individuals should pay for it. Vote for the guy who wants to throw money at the military.
Sean

The problem with your theory is they are still serving hot meals to everyone except the Marines working the midnight shift. Not sure how much of a savings that is. They claim its in preparation for the troop draw down but that's not for another year at least.

 

[billc]

As we have learned from the I.R.S. and the other scandals, liberals are embedded in every layer of the bureaucracy and are more than willing to take action against groups they don't like. They have been petty, as seen by the vandalism to the Old Executive Office building before Bush assumed office, the activities of the OWS movement, pooring fecal material in a bank lobby, pooping on police cars, throwing pies at conservative speakers (all juvenile, out of control behavior ) and with the use of OSHA, the I.R.S. and the E.P.A. they are more than willing to punish opponents in any manor they can think of. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think some liberal, military hating bureaucrat would get his kicks taking away that meal, knowing it made marines suffer.

I know, let's stop funding the shrimp on the treadmill and use that money to give that meal back...

 

[billc]

Some more examples of liberal petty behavior toward people they don't like cited by Bill O'reilly...

http://townhall.com/columnists/billoreilly/2013/06/01/a-wrong-against-the-right-n1609682

The paper looked at the invited commencement speakers for 150 colleges and universities. There are just four conservative speakers, as opposed to at least 69 liberal speakers.

The reason few conservative speakers are invited is that college administrators are frightened by radical-left students and faculty. Last month, Karl Rove's speech at the University of Massachusetts was disrupted, and so was the address by Sen. Rand Paul at Howard University. Nobody wants a graduation ceremony turned into an ideological circus, and that's what often happens when perceived conservatives are invited to speak on certain campuses.

Last year, I headed up a benefit for the It Happened to Alexa Foundation at Boston University, where I received a master's degree in broadcast journalism. As a freshman, Alexa Branchini was raped in a BU dorm and had to withdraw from the school. She eventually founded, with her parents, an organization to help victims of violent crime. I felt the campus of Boston University would be the perfect place to hold a fundraiser for this fine charity. How wrong I was.
A number of far-left professors and administrators, including a university vice president, boycotted the event. The school did little to promote it and essentially folded under the pressure of zealots. It was an absolute disgrace and an insult to Alexa and her family. That tells you all you need to know about the mentality of fanatical college professors and the cowardly administrators who enable them.
There is no question that liberal indoctrination is a fact of life on most American college campuses. Tenure means never having to say you're sorry or you're wrong. And, overwhelmingly, tenured college teachers are liberal. They dominate and intimidate their students. If you go up against them, your grade often suffers. There is a tyranny in higher education that is gravely harming this nation.

Yes, they caused problems for a fundraiser to help rape victims...because they don't like Bill O'reilly...
It isn't hard to believe that these liberal types get jobs in government and bring their childish, petty behavior with them...

Keep in mind as well that obama is an acolyte of saul olinsky, and good friends with bill ayers and bernadine dorhn(violent domestic terrorists)...and the military, in particular marines, are the very things he doesn't like about America...

 

[granfire]

This isn't about my diet, this is about our tax dollars. If you want to make sure they have hot meals, you and some like minded individuals should pay for it. Vote for the guy who wants to throw money at the military.
Sean

Unwad your knickers, mate.

The meals aren't bad, but not a substitute for something not from a pouch.
Our scouts love them (minus the Tuna) but our leaders, the gentlemen who had spend some considerable time eating them could happily do without. (fwiw, one gentleman is a retired Marine, the other has just been promoted to MST, with time in 'the sandbox')

The point it: It sucks.
I really do not care who tightened the purse strings. These folks cannot get a hot meal from the next Taco Bell where they are. It's my farm girl creed: you work for me, you will be fed. And I mean real food if at all possible.
These men and women do work for us, the least thing they should expect is a decent meal for their troubles!

 

[granfire]

As we have learned from the I.R.S. and the other scandals, liberals are embedded in every layer of the bureaucracy and are more than willing to take action against groups they don't like. They have been petty, as seen by the vandalism to the Old Executive Office building before Bush assumed office, the activities of the OWS movement, pooring fecal material in a bank lobby, pooping on police cars, throwing pies at conservative speakers (all juvenile, out of control behavior ) and with the use of OSHA, the I.R.S. and the E.P.A. they are more than willing to punish opponents in any manor they can think of. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think some liberal, military hating bureaucrat would get his kicks taking away that meal, knowing it made marines suffer.

I know, let's stop funding the shrimp on the treadmill and use that money to give that meal back...

Some more examples of liberal petty behavior toward people they don't like cited by Bill O'reilly...

http://townhall.com/columnists/billoreilly/2013/06/01/a-wrong-against-the-right-n1609682








Yes, they caused problems for a fundraiser to help rape victims...because they don't like Bill O'reilly...
It isn't hard to believe that these liberal types get jobs in government and bring their childish, petty behavior with them...

Keep in mind as well that obama is an acolyte of saul olinsky, and good friends with bill ayers and bernadine dorhn(violent domestic terrorists)...and the military, in particular marines, are the very things he doesn't like about America...

Love, ya, mate. But you cannot stick to a topic if your life depended on it.
This has nothing to do with Liberals, OWS or any of the stuff you love to rant about.

If truth be told, your club is just as guilty - if not more - to cut the budget for those soldiers. After all, it has become way to easy t shift the blame on the one single person in the White House....when social studies should have taught us that it takes a Congress to drive the cart into the muck.

it's kind of like a nephew of mine: when he was little, he would instigate trouble among the younger cousins, then go tattle on them, having the market cornered.....

 

[DennisBreene]

One of the favorite pastimes of a soldier is midrats. The other is complaining.

 

[oftheherd1]

Everyone agrees we need to make cuts, but nobody agrees on what to cut. This is a cut. Nobody gets hurt. They may re-think re-enlisting, but this is a cut we can live with.

Well, this is obviously a cut you can live with. You do realize you don't speak for me?

This isn't about my diet, this is about our tax dollars. If you want to make sure they have hot meals, you and some like minded individuals should pay for it. Vote for the guy who wants to throw money at the military.
Sean

Obviously it isn't about your diet. If it were, I think you would have an entirely different perspective, and different things to say about it.

The problem with your theory is they are still serving hot meals to everyone except the Marines working the midnight shift. Not sure how much of a savings that is. They claim its in preparation for the troop draw down but that's not for another year at least.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't they talking about a civilian company running their mess facilities? Congress loves to hire civilian companies. They aren't openly for sale, or the people of the US would complain. But PACs and Super PACs and other means, put a lot of money at congress' disposal. But if you want to save money, why in the world would you pay civilians what military can easily do for themselves at a great cost savings?

Love, ya, mate. But you cannot stick to a topic if your life depended on it.
This has nothing to do with Liberals, OWS or any of the stuff you love to rant about.

If truth be told, your club is just as guilty - if not more - to cut the budget for those soldiers. After all, it has become way to easy t shift the blame on the one single person in the White House....when social studies should have taught us that it takes a Congress to drive the cart into the muck.

it's kind of like a nephew of mine: when he was little, he would instigate trouble among the younger cousins, then go tattle on them, having the market cornered.....

Pretty much so. Look who decided to cut the military and rely on the Reserves and National Guard to be part time combat soldiers. Rumsfeld? And after cutting the military, tried to find as many civilian companies to be paid more than the military do do the job the military should have been doing for themselves? Both parties have been very guilty of screwing the military for the comfort of congress. It seems to have been going of for a long time, just seems to be worse now.

 

[oftheherd1]

One of the favorite pastimes of a soldier is midrats. The other is complaining.

So does that some way excuse not taking care of troops when it is possible to do so?

 

[Touch Of Death]

Well, this is obviously a cut you can live with. You do realize you don't speak for me?

Ok then... Nobody will die but you. I was hoping you would have taken it but since there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.

 

[Touch Of Death]

So does that some way excuse not taking care of troops when it is possible to do so?

was it supposed to?

 

[DennisBreene]

So does that some way excuse not taking care of troops when it is possible to do so?

A commanding officer is always charged with taking care of his/her troops. That doesn't mean that they don't end up sleeping in fox holes or being sent in harms way. It comes with the job description. As does grumbling about it. This was not meant to be a comment on an individual decision over rations. I don't have the information to second guess the decision. I expect local commanders on the ground have made their point in private if they feel the troops are being treated inappropriately. It was more an observation about military culture and by inference an admonition to take what you read with a grain of sand.

 

[rlobrecht]

I used to have a buddy in the reserves, and we would take MREs while camping. From what I can remember, we usually ended up not eating all we took, because they just aren't that great.

Obviously they don't really cost this much, but they are expensive on the after market. $95 for 12 on Amazon. That's a lot of bacon and eggs.

 

[oftheherd1]

Ok then... Nobody will die but you. I was hoping you would have taken it but since there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.

Sorry, I don't quite get that. I simply thought you didn't have the experience to understand why it was important to feed the troops better as opposed to putting it off to cost savings. If I am wrong about your experience, sorry.

was it supposed to?

It seemed DennisBreene was saying so. However he has clarified that and I accept that.

A commanding officer is always charged with taking care of his/her troops. That doesn't mean that they don't end up sleeping in fox holes or being sent in harms way. It comes with the job description. As does grumbling about it. This was not meant to be a comment on an individual decision over rations. I don't have the information to second guess the decision. I expect local commanders on the ground have made their point in private if they feel the troops are being treated inappropriately. It was more an observation about military culture and by inference an admonition to take what you read with a grain of sand.

I can dig that. However, there are two things military don't like to have messed with, food and pay. They will put up with a lot of other things they don't care for without much more that grumbling, as you said. They realize their job can be hazardous to their health. But that is one of the reasons some things are more important to them.

In my day, at least in the Army, there were three meals served in a day. If you wanted them, you got up for them, or were relieved for them, or got your own elsewhere, or did without. It appears they have changed that to have a 4th meal. Once you give something, it is hard to take it back. Try cutting out free medical care or social security now that we have them.

As to the MREs, I have had them. I don't think they are that great. I would prefer LRRPs or C rations frankly. But they are better than starving.

I would add that I think if they are not, cooks should be taking care of troops at the company level. Then you wouldn't have that problem. Somebody with more recent experience - is it correct that cooking and KP are done by civilians, or do the military still do that for themselves?

 

[Touch Of Death]

Sorry, I don't quite get that. I simply thought you didn't have the experience to understand why it was important to feed the troops better as opposed to putting it off to cost savings. If I am wrong about your experience, sorry.



It seemed DennisBreene was saying so. However he has clarified that and I accept that.



I can dig that. However, there are two things military don't like to have messed with, food and pay. They will put up with a lot of other things they don't care for without much more that grumbling, as you said. They realize their job can be hazardous to their health. But that is one of the reasons some things are more important to them.

In my day, at least in the Army, there were three meals served in a day. If you wanted them, you got up for them, or were relieved for them, or got your own elsewhere, or did without. It appears they have changed that to have a 4th meal. Once you give something, it is hard to take it back. Try cutting out free medical care or social security now that we have them.

As to the MREs, I have had them. I don't think they are that great. I would prefer LRRPs or C rations frankly. But they are better than starving.

I would add that I think if they are not, cooks should be taking care of troops at the company level. Then you wouldn't have that problem. Somebody with more recent experience - is it correct that cooking and KP are done by civilians, or do the military still do that for themselves?

Oh, I did enough time in the military to be considered experienced. The way I remember it, I am sure this was a commanding officer telling someone his troops could handle it, and not some Obama idea. This will make a tougher Marine.
Sean

 

[Tgace]

If the chow hall is still open I dont see the point in not having midrats. Midrats are nothing but reheated leftovers, sandwich makings, fruit, ceral, coffee, etc that are left out for the late workers to grab. It's not like they are making and serving an extra meal....

I don't get the point.

 

[arnisador]

If the chow hall is still open I dont see the point in not having midrats. Midrats are nothing but reheated leftovers, sandwich makings, fruit, ceral, coffee, etc that are left out for the late workers to grab. It's not like they are making and serving an extra meal....

I don't get the point.

I assume like all else it's contracted out at this point and so it is savings whenever there's something omitted from the terms.