Boxing vs Taiji Mantis vs Judo

[qwerty]

Here is a hypothetical match against a boxer, Taiji mantis practitioner and a judoko.
They have all had the same amount of training time for 10 years.
Who would win in:
1. Submission sparring
2. No rules street fight (1v1)
3 No rules street fight (multiple opponents)

Some thoughts:

The boxer would have more time to concentrate on perfecting the same hits
The Taiji mantis practitioner would have the widest range of tools (strikes, grappling, throws and redirection)
The judoko would have the widest range of submission movements and throws

This is a completly hypothetical situation, but who do you think would win?

 

[Tez3]

The person who won would be the person who wanted it the most.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Since a clinch can happen sooner than people may expect, I'll say that a grappler will have advantage over a striker.

 

[qwerty]

The person who won would be the person who wanted it the most.

I agree with you 100% on that.
But in this hypothetical situation all factors remain the same except the art

 

[Hanzou]

If trained in "real" Judo, the Judoka.

 

[Steve]

I think that the real winners are the fans.

 

[Tez3]

I agree with you 100% on that.
But in this hypothetical situation all factors remain the same except the art

But 'street fighter', really? Street fighter is what idiots call themselves when they mean stroppy little troublemaker who likes to think he can take on the hard men but really will never actually try, so they throw punches at passing drunks instead.

 

[qwerty]

But 'street fighter', really? Street fighter is what idiots call themselves when they mean stroppy little troublemaker who likes to think he can take on the hard men but really will never actually try, so they throw punches at passing drunks instead.

Street fight as in a no rules fight, say against each other

 

[Tez3]

Street fight as in a no rules fight, say against each other

If there is no rules then the one with the weapon will win for sure.

 

[qwerty]

If there is no rules then the one with the weapon will win for sure.

Ahhhh
As in "no rules" like eye gouging, groin shots, throat strikes, etc. etc.

 

[Tez3]

Ahhhh
As in "no rules" like eye gouging, groin shots, throat strikes, etc. etc.

then it still will be the one who wants it most.

 

[qwerty]

then it still will be the one who wants it most.

So if they wanted it equally there'd be a stalemate?

 

[qwerty]

Personally I think Taiji mantis has an advantage as it has both grappling and striking movements, but then again it may take longer to master

 

[Steve]

What's the motivation for the fight?

 

[Hanzou]

Personally I think Taiji mantis has an advantage as it has both grappling and striking movements, but then again it may take longer to master

You would think that, but the training methodology of the sport styles give them a very strong edge.

 

[drop bear]

Boxer in the multiples. The judo guys would take to long to finish people. So ten boxers vs ten judo guys. Boxers would have the advantage.

 

[Tez3]

So if they wanted it equally there'd be a stalemate?

There is always one who wants it more. Seriously this is just a version of the which style is best and my style is better than yours argument. It's the stuff of computer games. Real fights aren't games.

 

[kuniggety]

As highlighted, each style has their advantages. In a situation like this, it's going to boil down to who is the better fighter. Is the boxer someone who trains boxing for fitness or do they compete? Does the taiji mantis practitioner focus on forms or sparring? (I've actually studied some taiji mantis and understand the different methodologies used in different schools). My questions for the judo practitioner are basically the same as for the boxer but even without competition the judoka is still very used to being "hands on".

 

[qwerty]

There is always one who wants it more. Seriously this is just a version of the which style is best and my style is better than yours argument. It's the stuff of computer games. Real fights aren't games.

This is not to say which style is better
This is just to compare the styles and training time
For example some styles are more easily learnt while others are more complex. The argument isn't what style is superior. It is more of training less moves with more time and more moves with less time
E.g
5 moves to learn in 30 days = 6 days per move
2 moves to learn in 30 days = 15 days per move

 

[Steve]

Is the fight going to be televised?


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