Bomb materials found in AWOL soldier's room near Fort Hood
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Twin Fist
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i aint gonna say it
OP
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Thank you.
Since John and I have now agreed to not exchange barbs on this, we can focus on the more serious issue here.
This is the second? US Soldier on US soil caught in terrorist activities. I would seriously hope that the PTB in the military are considering the potential dangers of compromise in our armed forces.
I included the second link because this would on the surface appear to be a major security breach.
I don't intend to step into the religion bashing but i do have a question.
Why do people with strong religious convictions join the military? It can be argued that all religions are against violence, but then why join a force that is committed to violence?
Does nationislism outweight religious conviction?
Why do people with strong religious convictions join the military? It can be argued that all religions are against violence, but then why join a force that is committed to violence?
Does nationislism outweight religious conviction?
Some see the U.S. military as a force for good, protecting the people of this country from the bad guys. It is a noble calling.
Does the soldier who rolled the grenade into the officers meeting in kuwait count.
OP
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US Soldier? I don't recall that one Bill.
MaxiMe
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I'm wondering if committed is the right word there. most military I talk to don't want war they just train for it.
true, but most do know that - especially after 9/11 - you sign on the dotted line you better be prepared to put that training to good use.
Otherwise they can join the peace corps....
Nomad
Master Black Belt
Irony, anyone? I'm pretty sure his faith frowns on child pornography, too.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/22/national/22grenade.html?adxnnl=1&ref=hasankakbar&adxnnlx=1311876408-M8k+dAuSGhXtEt6RlpbUrw
this one Bob
FORT BRAGG, N.C., April 21 (AP) - A military jury convicted an Army sergeant of premeditated murder and attempted murder on Thursday for killing two of his comrades and wounding 14 others in an attack on his own camp in Kuwait at the start of the Iraq war.
The sergeant, Hasan Akbar, 34, could be sentenced to death when the 15-member jury reconvenes on Monday.
this one Bob
FORT BRAGG, N.C., April 21 (AP) - A military jury convicted an Army sergeant of premeditated murder and attempted murder on Thursday for killing two of his comrades and wounding 14 others in an attack on his own camp in Kuwait at the start of the Iraq war.
The sergeant, Hasan Akbar, 34, could be sentenced to death when the 15-member jury reconvenes on Monday.
MaxiMe
Brown Belt
Totally true.
In fairness I'll admit my strong bias in favor of the military (brat here) SemperFi.
Here is the story:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1122736.ece
A DISGRUNTLED US soldier who is a Muslim convert killed one of his officers and wounded 16 other men, three seriously, when he lobbed grenades and fired into three tents at a 101st Airborne Division base in northern Kuwait. The attack was at Camp Pennsylvania, from where troops of the 101st Airborne or Screaming Eagles were about to move into southern Iraq. The dead officer was Captain Christopher Scott Seifert, 27.
Confusion was followed by disbelief and shaken morale when it became clear that a fellow soldier was responsible for the attack. He was Sergeant Asan Akbar, an engineer from the 326th Engineer Battalion, a spokesman said.
Sergeant Akbar, who has not been charged, had been having what some might call an attitude problem, the spokesman added. He had been disciplined for insubordination and told he would be left in Kuwait when his unit moved into Iraq. He had been under observation for erratic behaviour and had been placed on sentry duty guarding vehicles.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1122736.ece
A DISGRUNTLED US soldier who is a Muslim convert killed one of his officers and wounded 16 other men, three seriously, when he lobbed grenades and fired into three tents at a 101st Airborne Division base in northern Kuwait. The attack was at Camp Pennsylvania, from where troops of the 101st Airborne or Screaming Eagles were about to move into southern Iraq. The dead officer was Captain Christopher Scott Seifert, 27.
Confusion was followed by disbelief and shaken morale when it became clear that a fellow soldier was responsible for the attack. He was Sergeant Asan Akbar, an engineer from the 326th Engineer Battalion, a spokesman said.
Sergeant Akbar, who has not been charged, had been having what some might call an attitude problem, the spokesman added. He had been disciplined for insubordination and told he would be left in Kuwait when his unit moved into Iraq. He had been under observation for erratic behaviour and had been placed on sentry duty guarding vehicles.
There is also this story:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/03/08/a-muslim-us-sailor-named-abujihaad/
From the article:
Hassan Abujihaad, a Muslim American sailor who cheered the terrorist attack on the USS Cole, is accused of divulging ship locations to a suspected terror fund-raiser while serving aboard the USS Benfold, a guided-missile destroyer in 2001 and 2002:
*****************DISCLAIMER***********************
THE POSTING OF THIS POST DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL MUSLIMS SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES ARE RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS. IT IS A RESPONSE TO A QUESTION IN A POST AND WAS DISCOVERED IN A SEARCH TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THERE ARE MUSLIMS SERVING HONORABLY IN THE ARMED FORCES OF THIS COUNTRY AND WHO SERVE AT RISK OF GREAT PERSONAL HARM. THEY ARE TO BE HONORED AND THANKED FOR THEIR HEROIC SERVICE AGAINST THREATS TO AMERICA, INCLUDING THE THREAT OF RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISM.
*******************END DISCLAIMER*****************************
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/03/08/a-muslim-us-sailor-named-abujihaad/
From the article:
Hassan Abujihaad, a Muslim American sailor who cheered the terrorist attack on the USS Cole, is accused of divulging ship locations to a suspected terror fund-raiser while serving aboard the USS Benfold, a guided-missile destroyer in 2001 and 2002:
*****************DISCLAIMER***********************
THE POSTING OF THIS POST DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL MUSLIMS SERVING IN THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES ARE RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISTS. IT IS A RESPONSE TO A QUESTION IN A POST AND WAS DISCOVERED IN A SEARCH TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THERE ARE MUSLIMS SERVING HONORABLY IN THE ARMED FORCES OF THIS COUNTRY AND WHO SERVE AT RISK OF GREAT PERSONAL HARM. THEY ARE TO BE HONORED AND THANKED FOR THEIR HEROIC SERVICE AGAINST THREATS TO AMERICA, INCLUDING THE THREAT OF RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORISM.
*******************END DISCLAIMER*****************************
OP
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There are thousands of Muslims in the US military serving honorably.
But we have a small handful here, in a short period of time, violating their oaths and attacking their countrymen.
Outside of a claimed religion, are there any other similarities? Any reports of them being organized, or are these random coincidences?
The child-porn find hints at an organized infiltration. This is bad for a number of reasons.
1 being that innocents will be accused, careers destroyed, lives uprooted and possibly lost.
2 it hints that the enemy is able to circumvent our defenses and either install long-term sleeper agents, or compromise our troops.
5-6 people out of a million uniformed troops is not a sample of any scientific note.
But 5-6, with similarities, is grounds for deeper investigation.
But we have a small handful here, in a short period of time, violating their oaths and attacking their countrymen.
Outside of a claimed religion, are there any other similarities? Any reports of them being organized, or are these random coincidences?
The child-porn find hints at an organized infiltration. This is bad for a number of reasons.
1 being that innocents will be accused, careers destroyed, lives uprooted and possibly lost.
2 it hints that the enemy is able to circumvent our defenses and either install long-term sleeper agents, or compromise our troops.
5-6 people out of a million uniformed troops is not a sample of any scientific note.
But 5-6, with similarities, is grounds for deeper investigation.
Twin Fist
Grandmaster
it might also mean that even the most loyal and patriotic american can, under the right combination of influences, become a killer.
Islam seems to be a recurring thread in these cases
Bob, i dont think it is sleeper agents so much as it is the nature of the religion itself. it can, in the right mind, fester till it grows and takes control.
Islam seems to be a recurring thread in these cases
Bob, i dont think it is sleeper agents so much as it is the nature of the religion itself. it can, in the right mind, fester till it grows and takes control.
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We are fortunate that this terrorist (yes, he's a terrorist, not a freedom fighter, not a patriotic rebel, not a devout soldier) was just plain stupid. You don't go into a gun store, attempt to buy 6 lbs of smokeless powder, and ask what its uses are...
He should have asked, "If you wanted to kill a lot of people really fast, which gun would you recommend, and can I get it gift wrapped?"
