Is your instructor driving a Ferrari?
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toejam said:I study Kempo Karate and I am currently brown belt - it's been just over 3 years to get here. We have black belt requirements over the next 7 months (x amount of kicks, crunches, pushups, etc) which I can understand.
Part of the requirements though, is that we must attend 7 seminars in this time, each one ranging from $60 - $100+. The test itself is expected to be around $800 for black belt. From then on, classes go from $86 per month to $120 per month.
Is it normal that you are *required* to attend seminars in order to get your black belt? That seems like a bit of a racket to me. Along with upping your fees by almost $40 per month to get (from my observations of black belt classes) no real difference in training.
What's most dissappointing about this situation though, is the fact that they have totally thrown this on students of my level. None of these prices or fees were ever discussed or given to us up front. I feel this is just plain misleading and not a good way to run a business...despite the fact that I have a lot of respect for a few of the instructors at this school.
toey.
toejam said:No...the $120/month will be permenant once you reach black belt.
Not a ferrari...but he drives at least one, very nice sports car. I have seen him in another luxury car. He seems nice enough...it's just this issue.Kreth said:Is your instructor driving a Ferrari?
The amount you can attend won't change.MJS said:How many classes are offered for this price and how long do they run for?
Sure. I understand there may not be high enough ranks close by when you are going for those higher ranks and you may need to fly interstate or even overseas...I even understand commensurate rates for each level as it advances...but it needs to be at the very minimum: reasonable.Fluffy said:No matter where you go it's the same. I have a friend who not only tested for her ATA 5th Dan 6 times but had to fly down from Seattle to Little Rock or Jacksonville, or LV to do so........with food, logging and the actual time in, testing fees, ect........we're talking around $2000 or so a test.
What do your students think of this? Have you ever asked them? Not that I'm saying you haven't, but the school I'm at appears to be very interested in their bottom line...to the point that they probably don't have time to get feedback.jks9199 said:...active participation in our association's activities (seminars, tournaments, etc) is a requirement for advancement.
Yeah...I've been doing this a little over 3 years...but for me it's more the journey than the belt color so I am comfortable enough in making that decision. Another guy has been there for 4 years and feels similar...but feels he has invested too much time to walk now. I completely understand. He said he will probably walk once he gets black belt though.green meanie said:...it sounds like a bunch of b.s. if you ask me. I think you're being charged WAY too much. If it were me I would give A LOT of thought of going somewhere else to train. :asian:
Sapper6 said:hey toe,
the solution is quite simple: if it is worth it to you to study under these people, then do it. if not, then seek instruction elsewhere which better suits your own financial needs.
i once spent over $800 on an AR-15 rifle and was very pleased with my purchase. after i got home, a couple buddies came over to check out my new toy and shrugged it off as an over-priced peashooter (both of them were "shotgun" guys and had no need for a rifle). does that mean my new firearm was worthless, overpriced, BS...? of course not.
OH MY GOODNESS.....toejam said:I study Kempo Karate and I am currently brown belt - it's been just over 3 years to get here. We have black belt requirements over the next 7 months (x amount of kicks, crunches, pushups, etc) which I can understand.
Part of the requirements though, is that we must attend 7 seminars in this time, each one ranging from $60 - $100+. The test itself is expected to be around $800 for black belt. From then on, classes go from $86 per month to $120 per month.
Is it normal that you are *required* to attend seminars in order to get your black belt? That seems like a bit of a racket to me. Along with upping your fees by almost $40 per month to get (from my observations of black belt classes) no real difference in training.
What's most dissappointing about this situation though, is the fact that they have totally thrown this on students of my level. None of these prices or fees were ever discussed or given to us up front. I feel this is just plain misleading and not a good way to run a business...despite the fact that I have a lot of respect for a few of the instructors at this school.
toey.
Sapper6 said:hey toe,
the LARGE majority of the people that have posted in this thread are all yelling, "rip-off, BS, fraud, too expensive, whatever..." listen, worth has a different meaning to different people. what i would spend $100 for, you may not want to spend $25 on, and vice versa.
simply asking yourself if the product is worth the price will tell you what you need to know.
Brother John said:Fine points all around Sapper!!
BUT: I think one of the keys to this guys situation being a load of horse poo is that he was blind-sided by these rates. He SHOULD have known of these expenses and requirements while he was still wearing White, not once he donned a Brown.
I don't see it as much an issue of "What is it worth" as it is fair business practices....making it clear what will be charged and expected of those who intend to be faithful and loyal and stick it out for the long haul.
He (she?) can charge what they want and require that their students be able to jump over the moon.....so long as they KNOW this ahead of time, before a Substantial amount of dedication hard work and $$$.
see what I'm saying?
That's what makes it a bunch O' crud in my book.
Your Brother
John
Great advice. You must have read my mind. I often times will spend more money than I should on a product or service. But as long as I find value in it...Sapper6 said:hey toe,
the solution is quite simple: if it is worth it to you to study under these people, then do it. if not, then seek instruction elsewhere which better suits your own financial needs.
the LARGE majority of the people that have posted in this thread are all yelling, "rip-off, BS, fraud, too expensive, whatever..." listen, worth has a different meaning to different people. what i would spend $100 for, you may not want to spend $25 on, and vice versa.
simply asking yourself if the product is worth the price will tell you what you need to know.
i once spent over $800 on an AR-15 rifle and was very pleased with my purchase. after i got home, a couple buddies came over to check out my new toy and shrugged it off as an over-priced peashooter (both of them were "shotgun" guys and had no need for a rifle). does that mean my new firearm was worthless, overpriced, BS...? of course not.
does the product and method of instruction warrant "higher than normal" prices...? do what you feel necessary, to benefit yourself. good luck in all your MA endeavors.
to thine own self be true...
toejam said:What do your students think of this? Have you ever asked them? Not that I'm saying you haven't, but the school I'm at appears to be very interested in their bottom line...to the point that they probably don't have time to get feedback.
For all the instructors here, do you ever ask yourself: "hmmm...are my feet still on the ground?". How transparent are your prices and policies? Client's don't like financial surprises. Client's like straight answers...not, "awww...geee...we think it'll probably cost $xxx". Client's don't like thinking that you're just making up a training schedule as you go along.
toejam said:No...the $120/month will be permenant once you reach black belt.