Bikers?

I am a biker and I am a martial artist. I've been training and studying martial arts since I was 14 (pre-dating my driver's license). I've been consistently riding a motorcycle since graduating college, but rode mini-bikes as a kid and dirt bikes a little older.

For further background (not to get on a soap box), I'm a founding brother and officer for the San Antonio chapter of the Iron Order MC . The Iron Order MC is the third largest MC in the world and the largest non-1% MC in the world with 120 chapters in 39 states and 7 countries. We are a totally independent (not a member of COC, NCOC, AMA or any other "sanctioning body") traditional (men only, 3-piece patch, 1950's-60's style bylaws) MC and totally law-abiding (well, except for speeding, and sometimes helmet laws...) We're not a LEMC ("Cop club") or a military/veteran MC, although we do have plenty of police officers and current and former military as brothers. We are a brotherhood that loves to ride hard, play harder and enjoy that brotherhood.

My current ride is a 2011 Harley Davidson Street Bob, denim black + apes.

Love the black denim. Mine's an '09. Looks classic and makes the chrome gleam all the more...or at least it would if I washed it more... I'll see if I remember to post a pic.

I think being a martial artist indicates a certain mental / spiritual strength, and a resolve (indomitable spirit as we say in TKD circles).

Understanding resolve and indomintable spririt takes on a whole new meaning when you are forced to stand toe to toe with a group of 1%ers that take offense that you didn't ask for their "permission" to do what is your constitutional (in the US, any way) right to do while they "bravely" outnumber you 5:1 (or more). What truly takes mental and spiritual strength is understanding that although violence is easy at that time, standing firm while staying professional (most times, any way...) without choosing violence unless it is chosen for you.

Being a biker indicates a sense of adventure... but also a feeling of being outside of the rest of society. 1%ers usually define "outlaw" not as one who breaks the law, but one that lives outside it.

For many, but certainly not all, this "outside the law" includes illegal and immoral revenue streams related to drugs, prostitution, child pronography, gun-running, etc. Many aslo solve arguments with other clubs that they don't approve of by blowing up their houses, cars, and ambushing them 5-10:1 or running them off the road in rented u-haul trucks and using those terroristic tactics to intimidate other groups that want to organize and ride together.

The term 1%er refers to the vast minority of bikers that participate in those activites. I don't know what the actual % is, but it's pretty close. Even many who identify themselves as 1%er don't use those tactics. Just like any large group of folks, you have the small number of "radicals" that try to impose their will on others though fear of violence and actual violence.

All that being said...here's my bike...damn lucky I remembered!
 
I am a biker and I am a martial artist. I've been training and studying martial arts since I was 14 (pre-dating my driver's license). I've been consistently riding a motorcycle since graduating college, but rode mini-bikes as a kid and dirt bikes a little older.
I started my martial art training at 5 years of age. My father was a biker, and (I was told) that I took my first ride on his bike when I was only a few days old (strapped between my mother and father. I got my motorcycle license when I was 16.

For further background (not to get on a soap box), I'm a founding brother and officer for the San Antonio chapter of the Iron Order MC . The Iron Order MC is the third largest MC in the world and the largest non-1% MC in the world with 120 chapters in 39 states and 7 countries. We are a totally independent (not a member of COC, NCOC, AMA or any other "sanctioning body") traditional (men only, 3-piece patch, 1950's-60's style bylaws) MC and totally law-abiding (well, except for speeding, and sometimes helmet laws...) We're not a LEMC ("Cop club") or a military/veteran MC, although we do have plenty of police officers and current and former military as brothers. We are a brotherhood that loves to ride hard, play harder and enjoy that brotherhood.
Good for you!

Love the black denim. Mine's an '09. Looks classic and makes the chrome gleam all the more...or at least it would if I washed it more... I'll see if I remember to post a pic.
Here's mine.
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Understanding resolve and indomintable spririt takes on a whole new meaning when you are forced to stand toe to toe with a group of 1%ers that take offense that you didn't ask for their "permission" to do what is your constitutional (in the US, any way) right to do while they "bravely" outnumber you 5:1 (or more). What truly takes mental and spiritual strength is understanding that although violence is easy at that time, standing firm while staying professional (most times, any way...) without choosing violence unless it is chosen for you.
I have never had any problems with guys from 1% MC's. More trouble has come my way from "cowboy" types (cowboy bars) where if you get in a dust up with one, you quickly find out that pretty much everyone there is their cousin...

For many, but certainly not all, this "outside the law" includes illegal and immoral revenue streams related to drugs, prostitution, child pronography, gun-running, etc. Many aslo solve arguments with other clubs that they don't approve of by blowing up their houses, cars, and ambushing them 5-10:1 or running them off the road in rented u-haul trucks and using those terroristic tactics to intimidate other groups that want to organize and ride together.

The term 1%er refers to the vast minority of bikers that participate in those activites. I don't know what the actual % is, but it's pretty close. Even many who identify themselves as 1%er don't use those tactics. Just like any large group of folks, you have the small number of "radicals" that try to impose their will on others though fear of violence and actual violence.

All that being said...here's my bike...damn lucky I remembered!
Of the guys that I hang with that are in 1% MC's, all those things you talk about are REALLY frowned on. ESPECIALLY the child porn thing you talk about. Those guys will KILL anyone involved in that sort of stuff.

Out here, there have been several cops that have gotten caught with child porn... there has also been some (cops) accused of extortion, and shooting citizens with no justification. At the same time, the local dominant 1% club - they're either running under the radar, or they're clean.

My opinion is that most people are caught up in the lore of the 1%er and have really no idea what the reality is. People should know to NOT believe what you hear on "Gangland" or watch on "Sons of Anarchy" as that's all trash and lies - in my experience.

I heard a statistic once that I think is pretty true. The statistic is that of ANY group of people.. be it 1%ers, LEO's, or the Clergy.. 10% of that group is up to no good.
 
Here's mine. [pic deleted for size, and really, its right there :rolleyes: ]

LOVE those pipes!

My opinion is that most people are caught up in the lore of the 1%er and have really no idea what the reality is. People should know to NOT believe what you hear on "Gangland" or watch on "Sons of Anarchy" as that's all trash and lies - in my experience.

I heard a statistic once that I think is pretty true. The statistic is that of ANY group of people.. be it 1%ers, LEO's, or the Clergy.. 10% of that group is up to no good.

I've never watched Sons of Anarchy and only occasionally watched Gangland on A&E, so I can't really comment on their content. As for the stuff that I listed, either I or a close brother have witnessed or been the target of these attacks or recieved threats of the same. Shows like SoA and Gangland only feed the fear, adding to the effectiveness of the threats. Truth be told, many of these situations only had to happen once for the threat of doing it again to be effective. Bikers on both sides of the fence know that stuff like that escalates quickly and that's never any good for anyone, but there's always that threat.

As for the stat...damn right. As a platoon leader and a company commander, I always had to spend 90% of my time on 10% of the organization that were **** heads.
 
I see from a few of the pictures at the top of the main forum page, that some here are bikers.

What do you ride?
How long have you been riding?
Do you consider yourself to be a biker or a martial artist?

I currently ride a 2008 Harley Road King. I used to ride a Honda 1100 Sabre.
I rode as a kid mostly dirt bikes and then stopped (* not sure why *) and picked it back up in 2002 time frame.

Do I consider myself to be a biker or a martial artist? Yes and No.

Yes as I do both, but I also am , ... (* fill in many other things here *) , that one could define or put limitations upon. Oh yes and I work with requirements and like Logic if you could not tell. ;)
 
Things like marital arts and riding just sort of round out the profile.

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JKS, couldn't resist lol.

To Stone Dragone:
Um, I have never EVER encountered any 1% club, not one single time ever in my puff, that even remotely tolerates child porn, child molesters or any such related thing. Keep in mind that in many areas out there on the road, the codes of the "Big 4" are pretty much law, and all of the other clubs I have seen tend to adopt the same or similar codes. Included in that is the exclusion of any child-molesters from ever joining - and the rare few that I have ever known of being caught out at that sort of nonsense whilst being club members... you don't wanna know...


It is certainly true that many 1%ers are involved with drugs and violence, it is pretty much entwined with that scene, but the media do sensationalise anything they can with that sort of thing and there are always two sides to any story. I'm not sticking up for them - for starters they don't really need anybody do, or want anybody to in many cases - but just pointing out. The places and society I grew up through, I could've very easily taken that or other very similar roads.
 
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It is certainly true that many 1%ers are involved with drugs and violence, it is pretty much entwined with that scene, but the media do sensationalise anything they can with that sort of thing and there are always two sides to any story. I'm not sticking up for them - for starters they don't really need anybody do, or want anybody to in many cases - but just pointing out. The places and society I grew up through, I could've very easily taken that or other very similar roads.

I I'm right there with you on this. One thing that I could have emphasized more is that those who do any (or all) of the above are rare. Their scarcity makes them no less dangerous, in fact quite to the contrary. And I also agree that media sensationalism is the major cause for bikers having the bad name that they once had and, in some places, still have. Fortunately, the things that I love are becoming far more mainstream...tattoos, motorcycles, etc
 
It is fantastic to see a few pictures here. AC - that is a mean looking piece of kit! More pictures please yalls :)
 
Originally Posted by jthomas1600
Things like marital arts and riding just sort of round out the profile.
I believe that some things define us. That there are things we DO, and other things we ARE.

There are a lot of things I do or have done. Other things have either been part of my life experience for as long as I can remember, AND / OR , the experience of achieving them was for me a life altering experience.

Of these things that define me are martial arts and being a biker. That's probably in order of priority. If I were to stop training tomorrow, and never ride my motorcycle again, I would still be a martial artist and a biker for the rest of my life. This is because these activities are not just something I do, but are a part of my persona.

Edited to add:

I think this may be a difference that I see between myself, and those who see martial arts as a sport.
 
Stone Dragon Said: We are a totally independent (not a member of COC, NCOC, AMA or any other "sanctioning body") traditional (men only, 3-piece patch, 1950's-60's style bylaws) MC and totally law-abiding (well, except for speeding, and sometimes helmet laws...)

So by that logic there is nothing stopping me from founding my Martial Arts School: "Tae Kwon Judoitsu"; get some others to play along; I'll buy myself a black belt with 19 stripes, since I'm the Grand Master and inventor of the discipline. We'll set up shop in a failing strip mall, practice regularly and demand that the other schools respect us. We'll enter tournaments an expect that our ranks will be recognized by the people we have made ourselves peers to. It's a free country and there's no law stating I can't invent a Martial Arts Discipline.

Would the Martial Arts community take me seriously?

I could go buy a really cool US Army Cavalry hat or a green beret. Just found one on Ebay! Wear it proudly around town. First ammendment! I can wear what I want.
(And no, it's not "theft of valor")

Will it mean as much? Isn't the truest offense in that the INSULT my wearing that hat would be to those who earned it?

Would you look me in the eye and respect me when I just went out and BOUGHT something you earned?

Cultures each have their paradigms, expectations and even rules. I am not a 1%er, my club is not a 1% club or a three piece patch, or a "support club" for a bigger club. But I attend the CoC meetings with those people, they look me in the eye and respect me and my club. Because we earn that respect by learning the culture's protocol, behaving as expected and respecting the traditional rules of the MC community. You and your "club" did not. Do you really expect the MC Community to respect you?

The White Belts don't run the Dojang.

The Privates don't run the Army.

The Freshmen don't decide the prom theme.

Want respect? Grow into it.
 
Stone Dragon Said: We are a totally independent (not a member of COC, NCOC, AMA or any other "sanctioning body") traditional (men only, 3-piece patch, 1950's-60's style bylaws) MC and totally law-abiding (well, except for speeding, and sometimes helmet laws...)

So by that logic there is nothing stopping me from founding my Martial Arts School: "Tae Kwon Judoitsu"; get some others to play along; I'll buy myself a black belt with 19 stripes, since I'm the Grand Master and inventor of the discipline. We'll set up shop in a failing strip mall, practice regularly and demand that the other schools respect us. We'll enter tournaments an expect that our ranks will be recognized by the people we have made ourselves peers to. It's a free country and there's no law stating I can't invent a Martial Arts Discipline.

Would the Martial Arts community take me seriously?

I could go buy a really cool US Army Cavalry hat or a green beret. Just found one on Ebay! Wear it proudly around town. First ammendment! I can wear what I want.
(And no, it's not "theft of valor")

Will it mean as much? Isn't the truest offense in that the INSULT my wearing that hat would be to those who earned it?

Would you look me in the eye and respect me when I just went out and BOUGHT something you earned?

Cultures each have their paradigms, expectations and even rules. I am not a 1%er, my club is not a 1% club or a three piece patch, or a "support club" for a bigger club. But I attend the CoC meetings with those people, they look me in the eye and respect me and my club. Because we earn that respect by learning the culture's protocol, behaving as expected and respecting the traditional rules of the MC community. You and your "club" did not. Do you really expect the MC Community to respect you?

The White Belts don't run the Dojang.

The Privates don't run the Army.

The Freshmen don't decide the prom theme.

Want respect? Grow into it.

Wow... tad aggressive there mate!
 
Wow... tad aggressive there mate!

I'll admit to being passionate. I apologize if that comes off as agression.

I am an aspiring Martial Artist, 1st Dan, Tae Kwon Do, but outside of family, nothing defines me more than being a biker.

I recently met a few members of the Iron Order and thought they were 'good dudes' respectable, and a welcome addition to the MC community. Then I did a little research. Found their website to contain arrogant and sanctimonious statements. Combine that with their recent (last week) 'situation' with another motorcycle club in town, and my opinion is GREATLY changed. Guess I even feel a little let down to find out that rather than kindred spirits, perhaps 'brothers' in a way, they are not someone I should associate with. I wouldn't want people to think I'm their friend.

Dissappointing to say the least.
 
in my experience , the only people that have a problem with the IO guys are 1% clubs and thier support clubs.

now i WILL get on a soapbox. I am an officer in a AMA, non-outlaw club.Prob the biggest MC in Texas.

it chaps my *** that the 4-10 outlaw clubs still think this is 1970 and they still make the rules.

they dont

here it is the bandits and you know what? the bandits can kiss my butt. Trying to tell people what kind of patch to wear, trying to extort money thorugh the COC, (and thats all the COC is, a money making front for the outlaws)

screw that

the IO wants to start up thier own club, and spread out? cool. Dont be jerks and it will all be good.

exactly what is your problem with the IO?
 
...in my experience , the only people that have a problem with the IO guys are 1% clubs and thier support clubs.

...exactly what is your problem with the IO?

Please read my previous posts. I'm not a 1%er or a member of a support club.

It's 2011: tradition, honor, and protocol should still matter. In my experience, most martial artists feel the same way. We find a common ground on which to respect one another's different traditions and construct a community wherein we can interact with honor. WTF, ATF, USNTF, IKF, WAMMA... isn't that what they're for?

Your statement about the CoC is uninformed, sorry. If you were to join, the treasurer SHOULD be willing to completely disclose all the financial records. If they weren't; THEN worry. (That's why I pulled my kid from scouts... another story)

The AMA is a fine organization, good "sanctioning body", we/I left the AMA over divergent opinions regarding helmet use. If you're an AMA club, you MUST require participants in your AMA sanctioned run to wear helmets. AMA is concerned over litigation. I've digressed...

"The IO wants to start up thier own club, and spread out? cool. Dont be jerks and it will all be good." - You and I are in TOTAL AGREEMENT on that point.
 
Texas isnt a mandatory helmet state, so we dont make people things that the law doesnt require.

The CoC was started by outlaws, and funny thing, they DEMAND money and DEMAND that you join the CoC

money making front, IMO

As to the IO, new martial arts are started all the time, so new MC's is fine by me. the IO follows the classic rules, (no women) and polices thier members behavior. I only know one IO guy, but he's cool. So, untill i have a bad experience with them, they are cool in my book. The fact they are new doesnt bother me, and the fact they thumb thier noses at the outlaws is just fine by me too.
 
I know I'm new here but I'm gonna try to get the topic back on track :)

What do you ride?
2003 Honda FireBlade CBR900RR (954)
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1997 Honda CBR600FV steelie trackbike
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me on a CBR600RR on a race school day (no 23)
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How long have you been riding?
about 2.5yrs

Do you consider yourself to be a biker or a martial artist?
rather random question.. are you only allowed to be both if you've kicked someones wing mirror off as you go past for cutting you off? :D


biking's great; love it!
 
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