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[Tez3]

I find it funny this guy thinks he's an expert on mma when his only other post is him saying he's a Kung fu guy but doesn't know his own lineage...but he thinks he's an expert on mma..

Too many people think because they do one style of martial arts are an expert on all other styles and of course they are all experts on MMA because 'like it's on telly innit.'

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

I am really lucky in that my youngest son and my wife love to watch mma. Both have trained with me so they are knowledgeable and understand not only the rules but also the movement. My youngest doesn't care what organization is having an event he is interested. Some of the absolute best mma fights we have ever seen have been on organizations other than the UFC. There is so much talent out there now as this sport has grown so big and will continue to grow. While the UFC may be the biggest organization it is certainly not the only event to watch for great mma!

 

[Headhunter]

I am really lucky in that my youngest son and my wife love to watch mma. Both have trained with me so they are knowledgeable and understand not only the rules but also the movement. My youngest doesn't care what organization is having an event he is interested. Some of the absolute best mma fights we have ever seen have been on organizations other than the UFC. There is so much talent out there now as this sport has grown so big and will continue to grow. While the UFC may be the biggest organization it is certainly not the only event to watch for great mma!

Thing is even if some fighters aren't the best skilled doesn't mean they can't put on entertaining fights. Not everyone can be Jon jones but they all show the guts to get in the cage and fight that deserves respect. For example there was a guy at the weekend with a 14-14 record so not the best but he still fought his heart out in his fight despite losing so respect for it. That's what every fighter deserves

 

[Martial D]

So, would you walk into a pub or bar and start mouthing off insults about people you don't know to people who don't know you? This is a friendly place to discuss martial arts, not a certain site that likes to take, shall we say a more 'proactive' role when discussing martial arts which frequently spills into insults and arguments. You came on spouting off about fighters, who may or may not be extremely good, the fact that they even get into the cage/ring to fight means they are owed a certain amount of respect. Fighting competitively isn't easy, I've seen many bottle it or not even try so you calling fighters 'bums' is extremely silly. That you feel your 'points' aren't answered is because you come on here being combative and rude, why should anyone answer you as if you were a civilised poster?

If my opinions on the matter offend your sensibilities, that's a you problem.

 

[Headhunter]

If my opinions on the matter offend your sensibilities, that's a you problem.

You're not offending anyone but it's still very disrespectful. You posted that video of yourself how would you like it if I said oh this guys garbage and a bum who can't fight at all...you wouldn't like that would you especially coming from a non Kung fu guy I wouldn't have any right to comment so why do you have right to comment on professional fighters you think you can do better get in the cage and show us your skills if not show some respect

 

[Martial D]

I used to do wing chun, hardly an expert but it's not a robust fighting system IMO. That video was only so someone could give me an idea of it's lineage, and to that extent the kung fu guys were really helpful. kudos to them.

In this case, we are talking about a sport. Would you be equally offended if I said the talent level was higher in the NFL than the CFL, or if I said the drivers in indy weren't of the same caliber of F1 drivers? Would I need to be a professional race car driver to make that assessment?

You are more than welcome to believe that Bellator is on par with UFC vis a vis the talent level, but it's not a belief based in reality as far as I can tell.

 

[Tez3]

If my opinions on the matter offend your sensibilities, that's a you problem.

It's not a 'me' problem' it's a 'you' problem. We do understand it's your opinion but...

 

[Headhunter]

I used to do wing chun, hardly an expert but it's not a robust fighting system IMO. That video was only so someone could give me an idea of it's lineage, and to that extent the kung fu guys were really helpful. kudos to them.

In this case, we are talking about a sport. Would you be equally offended if I said the talent level was higher in the NFL than the CFL, or if I said the drivers in indy weren't of the same caliber of F1 drivers? Would I need to be a professional race car driver to make that assessment?

You are more than welcome to believe that Bellator is on par with UFC vis a vis the talent level, but it's not a belief based in reality as far as I can tell.

I would if you were calling those athletes bums and that's the problem here you disrespecting professional athletes

 

[Tez3]

In this case, we are talking about a sport. Would you be equally offended if I said the talent level was higher in the NFL than the CFL, or if I said the drivers in indy weren't of the same caliber of F1 drivers? Would I need to be a professional race car driver to make that assessment?

A. We aren't offended, to be so would mean we valued your opinion.
B. The above isn't insulting, which you were about the MMA fighters.
C. You don't actually know anything about MMA which is amusing.

 

[Headhunter]

I used to do wing chun, hardly an expert but it's not a robust fighting system IMO. That video was only so someone could give me an idea of it's lineage, and to that extent the kung fu guys were really helpful. kudos to them.

In this case, we are talking about a sport. Would you be equally offended if I said the talent level was higher in the NFL than the CFL, or if I said the drivers in indy weren't of the same caliber of F1 drivers? Would I need to be a professional race car driver to make that assessment?

You are more than welcome to believe that Bellator is on par with UFC vis a vis the talent level, but it's not a belief based in reality as far as I can tell.

So you don't even train anymore at anything but you think you can talk trash about fighters and yes I'd say that about any type of athlete. Bellator is second to the ufc in fame and exposude but that doesn't mean all their fighters are second rate there's a bunch of bellator fights that would do very well against ufc fighters. It's not all about where you fight. The ufc has the tag line the best in the world fight there but that's just not true it's who they /think/ is the best and can make them money and what does the ufc management know about fighting. I don't even know the owners now but we had the fertitas a bunch of casino owners and jiu jitsu white belts who did 1 lesson with bj penn and dana white an aerobic boxing instructor. Don't bye into their hype of saying they know who the best is.

Bellator is also a very good show as it also has it's own kickboxing league which makes it stand out from the ufc and gives more exposure to kickboxing and creates more opportunities for mma fighters to try their hand at kickboxing if they want it.

 

[Martial D]

A. We aren't offended, to be so would mean we valued your opinion.
B. The above isn't insulting, which you were about the MMA fighters.
C. You don't actually know anything about MMA which is amusing.

A: your buthurt reaction tells a different tale
B: I can't control your reactions to things. That's you bro
C: You have no data by which to make that assessment. I could say the same thing to you but I recognize to do so would be hubris as I don't know what you know or don't know.

 

[Tez3]

A: your buthurt reaction tells a different tale
B: I can't control your reactions to things. That's you bro
C: You have no data by which to make that assessment. I could say the same thing to you but I recognize to do so would be hubris as I don't know what you know or don't know.

But, but, but, I'm not in the least hurt, if I were I'd put you on ignore.

Sweetie, accept it, you were insulting about pro fighters, end of.

 

[Headhunter]

A: your buthurt reaction tells a different tale
B: I can't control your reactions to things. That's you bro
C: You have no data by which to make that assessment. I could say the same thing to you but I recognize to do so would be hubris as I don't know what you know or don't know.

This is called a discussion page. You say something people don't agree with they'll tell you. Um and we can't control you making stupid comments

 

[Kickboxer101]

lol @ the irony of you venom spitters calling me a fanboy. I notice you didn't actually address the points I made.

So there isnt more(alot more) money in the UFC?

You think these bellator fighters are accepting less money out of principle because they don't like the ufc? Really?

Do you think chael sonnen vs tito ortiz or kimbo vs dada would make it past undercard at any ufc event? lol

How about that battle of the old geezers they had last year..royce vs ken. really? It's not 1990 dude.

I don't have any investment one way or the other, but if you think Bellator isn't the minors...I don't know what to tell you

Rory bounced off the top WW in UFC, but he will dominate in Bellator. 6 months from now we can have this discussion again

If you think they're so bad strap up your gloves and lets see how good you can do

 

[Headhunter]

But, but, but, I'm not in the least hurt, if I were I'd put you on ignore.

Sweetie, accept it, you were insulting about pro fighters, end of.

Love how when you disagree you get called butt hurt....no pal you just said something no one agrees with get over it

 

[Martial D]

Lol you guys are cliquey. That's fine. You guys have opinions, so do I.

So far I have said - UFC is where the money is and thus, where the talent is. It works like that in all pro sports.

That's just how it is folks. Dislike away.

 

[Headhunter]

Lol you guys are cliquey. That's fine. You guys have opinions, so do I.

So far I have said - UFC is where the money is and thus, where the talent is. It works like that in all pro sports.

That's just how it is folks. Dislike away.

You also called the entire division bums and that's what the problem is and no ones cliquey its just no one agrees with you and okay sure have another dislike

 

[Martial D]

No, I said 'either of the two bums fighting for the strap at 170', which compared to someone of top level (ie Rory) they are. Sure, there are some exceptions, but they are mostly guys that either got cut from, or stuck in contract negotiations with, the UFC.

The only exception I can think of is mvp who can look amazing, but how would he fare against top level fighters?

 

[Headhunter]

No, I said 'either of the two bums fighting for the strap at 170', which compared to someone of top level (ie Rory) they are. Sure, there are some exceptions, but they are mostly guys that either got cut from, or stuck in contract negotiations with, the UFC.

The only exception I can think of is mvp who can look amazing, but how would he fare against top level fighters?

You called them bums that's a fact you can't worm your way out of it that's what people have problems with

 

[CB Jones]

An old qoute comes to mind.....

Never call a guy a bum unless you are willing to get in the ring and prove him one.