Attackers who are high level Martial Artists

[Tony]

I know we would all like to think we are humble and responsible in the way we use out skills,and that our styles have codes of conduct that prevent individuals from misusing what they have learnt but occasionally some people do sneak through the net!

There are many people with big egos who like to show off and intimidate people with the martial arts skills. We've all probably seen the Karate Kid films and these people do exist in real life. Many times you may hear someone say 'don't mess with me, I'm a black belt'. And occasionaly even the instructors can turn out to be the one with the ego who like to show off their skills. Luckily i have never met anyone like this.

 

[Paul B]

Not too sure what you're looking for here.


High Level...to me...means not only technical proficiency,but also a kind of spiritual maturity that is noticable with very senior practitioners. I highly doubt you would find anyone like that attacking you out of the blue.

All of the "higher ups" I have met,regardless of style,seem to be the most kind,humble,and truely open-minded people I have ever had the honor of meeting.

 

[AnimEdge]

I think hes talkin about like BB who likes to show off and pick on people, i heard of a group of guys who would go around to bars and start fights with people for the fun of it they seamed to have been pretty good at it to

 

[Drifter]

Avoid the fight, get called a coward, live without lawyers another day. That's my theory on fighting martial artists. You don't need to associate with people who have attitudes like that for any reason, and don't have to take BS like that.

Realize that they're missing some of THE BIGGEST parts of Martial Arts. Humility, respect, honor, bravery. None of that can go along with being egotistical, intimidating, or manipulating. All of the great martial artists in history, and today, obviously respected their teachers enough to stay with them long enough for their skill to grow. Therefore, most great martial artists have had these virtues impressed upon them repeatedly. Don't worry about people who are egotistical like that. The most senior, faded-gi wearing, with an almost entirely white black belt from wear and tear, 10th degree with an attitude is lesser than a yellow belt, with two months in any art, that people can stand to be around.

I think someone can only be high-level if they look outside their art. You can only be good when you realize that you will always have a lifetime of learning, when you realize that your art is not all encompassing. Therefore humility is ALWAYS a prerequisite. Always be willing to seek advice, always search for new techniques, or tactics, and always be open-minded.

That, I believe, is the key to success.

 

[Andrew Green]

All of the "higher ups" I have met,regardless of style,seem to be the most kind,humble,and truely open-minded people I have ever had the honor of meeting.

You need to get out more then

lol

Anyways, martial arts practitioners are no different then any other sort of people... well sort of... different types of people are drawn to different hobbies. Anyone likely to pick a fight is not likely to join a Aikido school. Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, and even judo or TKD maybe.

You also don't neccessarily have to have be a member of a club to be a good fighter.

What was the question?

 

[Paul B]

LOL


I'll do ya one better and say anyone looking to pick a fight probably isn't a high level anything. I don't run in McDojo circles and accordingly have only met one 10th Dan he was definitely laid back and friendly. I wouldn't want to go rounds with him though.

Whatever...the point is,since the question was about "high level"...I don't think you'll find one of them out in a bar,itching to try out their latest one-touch kill technique,or have to worry about getting run down by a member of AARP.

 

[Andrew Green]

Well, lets go to history then

Chotoku Kyan was rather famous for taking students to the red lantern district to test out there abilities.

Choki Motobu sure had a lot of street fights.

Tatsuo Shimabuku is rummered to have gotten his students to fight in bars.

Boxers, kickboxers and wrestlers sometimes get reputations for fighting

 

[Paul B]

Nice Andrew...lets not forget..

Sokaku Takeda..rumored to have killed many men in brawls

Morihei Ueshiba..likewise fought many duels,some for his teacher above,allegedly.

Young Sol Choi..also a brawler

Kimura..do I have to say anything?

Countless Kodokan Judoka in the early 1900's. *See EJ Harrisson*

As I stated before..I think it has more to do with the age of "higher ups" and advancement of the "ideals" nowadays.(Think Jutsu to Do) Is it possible you might run up against someone of these men's caliber? Maybe,but highly unlikely. My solution..stay out of seedy bars and red light districts. If you do run up against someone of these men's skill..bend over and kiss your rear goodbye.

I do think that these men in their later years would have anything but condemnation for the way they acted and for people who act in this manner. It's really a needless and pointless thing. But you were very right to point out that people will be people....

 

[Andrew Green]

Can go modern too, see "Gracie Challenge" tapes

How about Count Dante and the Dojo Wars?

 

[MA-Caver]

I think hes talkin about like BB who likes to show off and pick on people, i heard of a group of guys who would go around to bars and start fights with people for the fun of it they seamed to have been pretty good at it to

I remember years ago while attending college in Washington D.C. hearing stories about the Presidental Marine Guard going to known gay bars while on a pass and starting fights there. It was "reputated" that these guys were BB's.
I have met arrogant "BB's" but I don't think any of them were above first degree/dans. I have seen/known a 2nd (or was it third) degree/dan (this was AGES ago okay) who was a bouncer in a (topless) bar and I've watched him put joint-locks on unruly patrons and escort them out the door, then watched him put the guy on the ground after letting him go and the guy turned on him. Was pretty funny at the time because he was sloppy drunk and a good right jab to the solar-plexus got him bent over til the cops arrived.
But I agree with Paul when he said:

High Level...to me...means not only technical proficiency,but also a kind of spiritual maturity that is noticable with very senior practitioners. I highly doubt you would find anyone like that attacking you out of the blue.
All of the "higher ups" I have met,regardless of style,seem to be the most kind,humble,and truely open-minded people I have ever had the honor of meeting.

Absoultely true here in my experiences as well.
Bruce Lee had the reputation of messing with people but it was more of his playful nature than any real aggressiveness on his part. I am thinking along the lines that "higher" ranking BB's know how much damage they can inflict on someone and it is just childish to be showing off... plus their average age is in the low 30's to low 50's and thus (as Paul said) their maturity level and spiritual awareness wouldn't allow for such childish antics.

 

[Drac]

All of the "higher ups" I have met,regardless of style,seem to be the most kind,humble,and truely open-minded people I have ever had the honor of meeting.

I agree 100%..As a former "bouncer" the idiot trouble makers were NEVER what could be considered as true martial artist..

 

[MJS]

I know we would all like to think we are humble and responsible in the way we use out skills,and that our styles have codes of conduct that prevent individuals from misusing what they have learnt but occasionally some people do sneak through the net!

There are many people with big egos who like to show off and intimidate people with the martial arts skills. We've all probably seen the Karate Kid films and these people do exist in real life. Many times you may hear someone say 'don't mess with me, I'm a black belt'. And occasionaly even the instructors can turn out to be the one with the ego who like to show off their skills. Luckily i have never met anyone like this.

This kind of goes hand in hand with the Lack of Respect thread. People who walk around like this obviously have large egos and no respect for the art or other people. What they fail to realize is that having a BB does not make you a Superman. Some day, they just may find themselves acting like a big shot near the wrong person.

Mike

 

[47MartialMan]

I Many times you may hear someone say 'don't mess with me, I'm a black belt'.

Respond by saying if they would like a "black eye" to match their "black belt"

 

[Corporal Hicks]

Sorry I'm a little behind the times. What is BB?

I thought BBJ was Brazilian (Aggh cant spell it!!!) Ju Jitsu!

Whats BB? Big Bully?

Regards

 

[MJS]

Sorry I'm a little behind the times. What is BB?

I thought BBJ was Brazilian (Aggh cant spell it!!!) Ju Jitsu!

Whats BB? Big Bully?

Regards

BB= Black Belt.

Just a little short hand that I use in my posts.

You are correct on the BJJ though.

Mike

 

[Sam]

BB= black belt.

dunno what bbj is.

*edit* argh, where did that post sneak in from? it wasnt there when I answered!

 

[Bammx2]

Being in alot event security,I have often seen people "try" and use MA in a fight THINKING they were tough.....but ego doesn't mix well with drug and alcohol abuse

I used to go to school with 3 brothers who were BB's and thought they were tough....til they found out sport TKD doesn't work in a bar fight!
(see previous statement)

 

[47MartialMan]

Being in alot event security,I have often seen people "try" and use MA in a fight THINKING they were tough.....but ego doesn't mix well with drug and alcohol abuse

I used to go to school with 3 brothers who were BB's and thought they were tough....til they found out sport TKD doesn't work in a bar fight!
(see previous statement)

But was it them or TKD? Or the instructor and/or parents?

 

[FearlessFreep]

But was it them or TKD? Or the instructor and/or parents?

If you follow the "Sparring Syles" thread n the TKD forum, some are of the thought that the technique(s) you learn to excel in sport TKD are somewhat less than as powerful as they could be

 

[Bammx2]

But was it them or TKD? Or the instructor and/or parents?

It was all the above.
There is a TKD instructor in columbus ohio who has been decievin people for over 25 years,barking crap like "my TKD is UNBEATABLE on the streets"...and to be honest,with all the trophies from point competitions in his windows...he has made a damn good living! I used to train with his first gen BB's...they all quit him and went on to bigger and better things.
The whole family was arrogant because fo thier "training" and they thought they were invincible...thats why they fought 3 on 1....

and for the record...the TKD instructor is only 1 of 2(in 32 years of being in the arts) I would ever speak ill of in front of anybody...and I even told him face to face.
The other...supplimented his income with dealing drugs.
and both are still in business!
:shrug: