Assisting Pedophiles & the Destruction of Childhood

[Xue Sheng]

I'm not pointing at that page, how about any page, anything coming from the manufacturer that would suggest it is aimed at kids. Any promotional material, any publicity pictures, anything?.

As stated it has been fixed therefore you will find nothing. It would not be the first time a corporation did a cover up with a side order of denial

If all this was was a minor catalouging error on there website then there is certainly nothing to warrant this moral outrage reaction. But people are claiming it was created and advertised with the purpose of selling it to kids, I see nothing from the manufacturer that would lead to that conclusion at all..

I think I already said something very much like this

I just see a article that is rather vague and in some ways missleading article. It also looks like it once had it in the "Adult Games" section, but moved it too fitness. (It is not in the adult games section now) The original article also states that it had a adults only classifciation from the beginning.

I am more than willing to admit as a parent of young children that this will in general cause a rather emotional and angry response and it could be just a sensationalized story that the people that complained made to get their Andy Warhol 15 minutes. But it could also be a good job of corporate denial and cover up too.

But just for a second, and to be honest we are all speculating as to what really happened, What if it was originally geared towards children? Then how would you respond? Because in all honesty none of us really know what went on based on this 1 publicized story.

If it is as most feel here it certainly would not be the first time a corporation geared its advertising towards children using a sexual approach, the bratz that have been mentioned are a good example as it the toddlers shirt that had "Sexy" on the front of it, or the push up bra for 9 year olds

How do you feel about those issues?

 

[Andrew Green]

As stated it has been fixed therefore you will find nothing. It would not be the first time a corporation did a cover up with a side order of denial

That's partially my point. We don't know. It was either in the "Adult games" section, which seems appropriate. Or worse case, someone made a error entering it into the database and it got placed under a younger age. The article doesn't say either way.

But it could also be a good job of corporate denial and cover up too.

I don't see that, and I am the first to admit corporations are evil. But there is nothing at all here that would show that.

What if it was originally geared towards children?

Visit the manufacturers website, look around at stories / advertisements for it. It is very clearly aimed at adults. One retailler that may or may not have had it catagorized wrong has absolutely nothing to do with what the manufacturer intended.

But it seems a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to claim it was aimed at kids based on one story without even bothering to look up the product.

If it is as most feel here it certainly would not be the first time a corporation geared its advertising towards children using a sexual approach, the bratz that have been mentioned are a good example as it the toddlers shirt that had "Sexy" on the front of it, or the push up bra for 9 year olds

How do you feel about those issues?

I feel they are completely seperate issues that have nothing at all to do with the story above. I feel the story above was being very misleading in bringing in those items to sensationalize there story. The product mentioned was not aimed at kids.

Suppose I run a bookstore, and some clerk leaves a stack of Playboy's on the kids section shelf. Is Playboy to blame? To we throw our hands up and point fingers at evil corporations marketing sex to kids? No, Playboy Magazine didn't market it to them, it was a mistake. But with enough fluff around it pointing to other things you could probably get a story out of it. That's what this is.

 

[Xue Sheng]

That's partially my point. We don't know. It was either in the "Adult games" section, which seems appropriate. Or worse case, someone made a error entering it into the database and it got placed under a younger age. The article doesn't say either way.




I don't see that, and I am the first to admit corporations are evil. But there is nothing at all here that would show that.



Visit the manufacturers website, look around at stories / advertisements for it. It is very clearly aimed at adults. One retailler that may or may not have had it catagorized wrong has absolutely nothing to do with what the manufacturer intended.

But it seems a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to claim it was aimed at kids based on one story without even bothering to look up the product.




I feel they are completely seperate issues that have nothing at all to do with the story above. I feel the story above was being very misleading in bringing in those items to sensationalize there story. The product mentioned was not aimed at kids.

Suppose I run a bookstore, and some clerk leaves a stack of Playboy's on the kids section shelf. Is Playboy to blame? To we throw our hands up and point fingers at evil corporations marketing sex to kids? No, Playboy Magazine didn't market it to them, it was a mistake. But with enough fluff around it pointing to other things you could probably get a story out of it. That's what this is.

I will ask these only one more time and if choose not to answer I will let it drop.

I am not saying that the manufacture did anything and I do not see my questions as a separate issue at this point, it is a what if scenario.

What if it was originally geared towards children?

Then how would you respond?

And there are toys that gear advertising towards children using a sexual approach, the bratz that have been mentioned are a good example as it the toddlers shirt that had "Sexy" on the front of it, or the push up bra for 9 year olds. How do you feel about these issues?

And since the original story was based on the possibility of a toy that was potentially sexually explicit in nature the above toys are exactly that so what would be your stance on those?

 

[shesulsa]

Suppose I run a bookstore, and some clerk leaves a stack of Playboy's on the kids section shelf. Is Playboy to blame?

Since it's your store, it's your fault. It would be up to you to reprimand/fire the clerk, but since you own the place, you are the DJP (Designated Jail Person).

In the case of Tesco, it is the company's fault and they must answer, though they clearly will have to do something about the clerk who *allegedly* mistakenly put something there.

And what you can't seem to escape is that before the article, a person had to click on "TOYS" to get to this adult item. Now, unless you're on www.playboy.com, I don't think it's out of line nor far reaching to think that one would *not* likely find adult items through a "toys" link. All the adult games you mention had to be found through the "toys" link. Now, this is either intentional, neglectful, or just a plain old bad site mapping job. Regardless of the source of blame, the entire company is at fault, legally and morally. Any businessman worth his salt wouldn't hesitate to take responsibility for the oversight if it were an honest mistake ... but I must question anyone who defends the action of its placement as a child page of a "toys" link.

 

[Andrew Green]

Oh, for the corporate cover up theory, one thing about the interenet is things can't be covered up that easily. Everything is cached, indexed and otherwise copied all over the place.

The item in question was formerly listed under "Arcade & Gadgets" in the "Adult" section" It also appeared in other queries, such as price range and number of players.

 

[Andrew Green]

Taddaa!

Cached version of the product info from before they moved it:

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4183428839824&lang=en-CA&mkt=en-CA&FORM=CVRE2

Notice:

Age Group Adult

 

[TaiChiTJ]

I agree with Makow on all this.


http://savethemales.ca/

 

[Jonathan Randall]

Bad call to put it where they did.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Oh, for the corporate cover up theory, one thing about the interenet is things can't be covered up that easily. Everything is cached, indexed and otherwise copied all over the place.

The item in question was formerly listed under "Arcade & Gadgets" in the "Adult" section" It also appeared in other queries, such as price range and number of players.

I see my questions went unanswered therefore I will let it drop. :asian:

 

[Andrew Green]

I see my questions went unanswered therefore I will let it drop. :asian:

If you want to start a "What if" thread by all means, go ahead. But they do not at all reflect what did happen, just a big "What if"

 

[shesulsa]

Taddaa!

Cached version of the product info from before they moved it:

http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=4183428839824&lang=en-CA&mkt=en-CA&FORM=CVRE2

Notice:

Ah yes ... where you STILL had to click through TOYS AND GAMES to GET THERE.

Did you see that you have to click on TOYS AND GAMES to get there? Did you see that the first page you find when you click on TOYS AND GAMES is a child's game page?

Whatever. I'm done.

 

[Andrew Green]

Do you object to the other "Toys and Games" aimed at adults in there?

 

[shesulsa]

Do you object to the other "Toys and Games" aimed at adults in there?

I've already answered that question.

 

[Andrew Green]

ok... so:

The logical place, of course, for adult games to be, is on a page with a click-through disclaimer to a section of adult games.

This is meant for poker sets as well? Seems a little excessive to me.

 

[ajs1976]

ok... so:



This is meant for poker sets as well? Seems a little excessive to me.

No, gambling and drinking are socially acceptible to have children aware of them. Anything sex related needs to locked in a cabinet in the back of the store, with black paper over the glass, so no young eyes can see it.

I think the only mistake that was made was having the page title for the Toys and Games section displayed as Children's Toys and Games. If that is where the pole was originally located any.

On a similiar note, I saw Carmen Electra's new exercise video in Target the other day. It was on the end of one of the aisle on one of the displays, not hidden in the back.

 

[Xue Sheng]

If you want to start a "What if" thread by all means, go ahead. But they do not at all reflect what did happen, just a big "What if"

As stated I have dropped it.

My question, I believe, was answered.

 

[Andrew Green]

On a similiar note, I saw Carmen Electra's new exercise video in Target the other day. It was on the end of one of the aisle on one of the displays, not hidden in the back.

This is a good question, to everyone upset about the store selling the pole, how do you feel about all of the Aerobic Striptease videos on the market, available at major stores in open areas, and AFAIK, not even carrying "R" ratings?

I did a little search, most listed them as NR, but I did see one that listed it as PG rated. (Canadian)

 

[Cryozombie]

I agree with the previous poster who says this item does not LOOK as tho it was intended to support an adult.

I wont assume anyone else has frequented those establishments, but I have seen HOW a strip pole is intened for use...

Here's an idea... I actually have a "dancer" in the family... perhaps we should get one of these poles, provide it to her, and see, as a professional, if she feels its safe for adult use.

 

[Cryozombie]

This is a good question, to everyone upset about the store selling the pole, how do you feel about all of the Aerobic Striptease videos on the market, available at major stores in open areas, and AFAIK, not even carrying "R" ratings?

I did a little search, most listed them as NR, but I did see one that listed it as PG rated. (Canadian)

Around here, (at least at the FYE and Suncoast stores in the local mall) those videos are in bins marked "Adult" and hidden behind black dividers that prevent you from veiwing the packaging with a casual walk by. You have to stop in the adult section and remove the black covers to view the Video cases. Also, I cant speak for Canadia or the rest of the world but the MPAA rating system is Volluntary in the US, not law. I can release any film I want, inc. hardcore porn as NR if I choose.