OK. You still need something that works. Before you go out and train hard with resistance. So if me and my friends put on some gloves and fight club in the back yard we will not have the same effect as someone who has learned to box. The difference is the style.
1. A backyard fight club isn't a fighting style. The fighting style is indeed the something that works and I already stipulated that this discussion is based on those that use striking and grappling as combat tools. Not psychic powers like yellow bamboo.
2. Training hard with resistance is only one part of training properly. Look at the aikido training video: not yet fighting hard but doing drills that develop skills that are necessary to fight.
If your training develops core skills like balanced movement, evasion, landing blows and building combinations then the fighting style has what it needs to do what it does.
This is a variable. But it does not change style as a variable.
The particulars of the style are a negligible impact on the importance of core skills.
I know it's fun to bash styles but is it really so hard to see that ones ability to time a punch is far more important than what that punch looks like???
Because a lot of styles only do drills. And are lead by an instructor who only does drills. Their style does not understand fighting and what is required to make it work.
Show me the style capable of cognition and I will show you a new and undocumented life form worth more than all the champions belts combined.
I'm saying styles don't think. They don't understand things they don't move and do drills. People do those things and people can choose to do different ones. An instructor may not understand fighting, but it only takes one that does to make the style work.
That knowledge gap is not style specific. A few days ago I watched videos of pro boxers who tried to fight in mma. They got destroyed. Boxers don't understand fighting, they understand the "game" of boxing. Does that mean boxing can't work? Or maybe was it the boxers training that was lacking for the new environment?
Street fights have those variables. Sports fights have a progression.
So no sport fighter ever got a lucky hit?
No sport fighter was ever just more talented or had better genes?
The abstract system can help or hinder before we worry about training we need a base that will work. A style is not just one person it is a trend. Some styles just do these base elements better.
It's the training that makes it work not the other way around. To even do a style you need to have trained in it first. You can't just go into a fight thinking about Greco-Roman wrestling and expect to use it if you never trained a day in it.
Training is the only variable that matters.
The style in video games is fixed. You move in a predetermined way. If I put yoshi from Mario Kart in there. Their may be elements of that game that all the "get better" cannot be achieved.
What you've just argued is that not all fighting styles are suitable for sports competitions as they don't all move in a way conducive to the rules of the sport.
I'm pretty sure you and those like you normally call this a b.s. argument because it let's people of the hook for not winning fights.
Yellow bamboo looks like the exception but it is not. Yellow bamboo relies on trained in compliance from the people doing the style. You see elements of that in a lot of styles. And that is where my definition of doesn't work fits in. So quite often the argument comes about that Krav will work better for an old frail person than MMA. But you need to know why that is. If it is because(exactly like yellow bamboo) everyone is making it work for you.
Then it doesn't really work.
The litmus test for if a style works is not a bunch of bendy logic about all styles working in some meta concept.
It is the style working against someone who does not want it to work.
And the reason for this very simple definition of working is why you want martial arts to work. Which is at some point a person may try to use force to do something you don't want them to do. And then it is your head on the block.
No style has trained in compliance as a component of the style. It occurs as a corruption of the training environment. It's a pitfall, not an integral element. It also doesn't fall into the definition of "trained properly", does it?
Did you even read the opening post? I mean I know you didn't originally or you'd never have posted about yellow bamboo, but still?
Your litmus test is the same as my litmus test. I just don't limit the idea of working to winning because that would discount the abilities of the opposition which would be stupid.
The only point I'm really making is that it's not the set of guidelines that blocks andvthrows punches, it is the person. How well that person does that is based on how well trained they are.
This is not rocket science. There is nothing bendy about this logic. You literally said that a set of ideas about moving during a fight is capable of cognitive understanding but you call my logic bendy?
The fact is you want to make it about the style when the thing doing the fighting is a human being. A human being chooses when to punch, when to dodge etc. They do this based on how well they are trained.
Can we argue that some styles rely too heavily on traditional methods that are ineffective. Of course, but that doesn't make the style it's self flawed. It doesn't mean people can't change the way they train to get better results.
