And you can make a backup copy without removing the copy protection how? Even if you use software that nullifies the protection scheme and then puts it back, you are still breaking the law. So yes it does.
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And you can make a backup copy without removing the copy protection how? Even if you use software that nullifies the protection scheme and then puts it back, you are still breaking the law. So yes it does.
You can do exactly what the MPAA said.
Hook up a camcorder and tape off the tv display. They are ok with that.
Seriously.
Hook up a camcorder and tape off the tv display. They are ok with that.
Seriously.
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So the makers of DVD Decrypter are making an illegal program? Because that is all that program does... break up the copy protection and prevents it from being part of the file bundle that makes up a movie copy.Originally Posted by LuckyKBoxer
Umm it makes breaking the encryption illegal, it does not make copying the encryption over to the new dvd along with all of the files on the dvd illegal.
But then it's the intent of the person USING the program isn't it?
I dunno, for me it's for my private use and mine alone. Oh sure I may have a friend or two sit down with me and watch it but... well... gee. Is it any different than my using a "legal" copy and showing the movie to a friend or a group of friends sitting at the house with pizza and what nots? They bought the pizza and drinks... so I am profiting by not spending the money on the food or drinks because I have the movie and am showing it to them?
Pretty grey area isn't it?
Folks,
If you're not lawyers very well versed in the complexities of copyright law... it might be wise to be cautious about trying to say what is and is not legal. All I know is that it's a maze, with lots of on-going litigation -- and that even it something is arguably "legal", the RIAA among others is going after folks for damages... Heck, the NFL even went after a church for having an "unauthorized public showing" of the Superbowl!
That's why I said the whole paradigm needs to shift...
If you're not lawyers very well versed in the complexities of copyright law... it might be wise to be cautious about trying to say what is and is not legal. All I know is that it's a maze, with lots of on-going litigation -- and that even it something is arguably "legal", the RIAA among others is going after folks for damages... Heck, the NFL even went after a church for having an "unauthorized public showing" of the Superbowl!
That's why I said the whole paradigm needs to shift...
Yes. And they have been in and out of trouble for it.
LuckyKBoxer
Master Black Belt
Without naming the program, the way it works is it does not bypass the copyright encryption program, it simply copies the entire disk including the encryption and puts it on the new copy. Basically it creates a new disk with copyright protection on it. The argument is that since they are copying the disk without bypassing or breaking the encryption they are not breaking the law as written, and are conforming to the fair use policies that were in place before.
Like I said it is going to court, and I have not really checked to see the status but I am pretty sure it is going to be later this year before a decision is reached.
And yes any program like DVXCopy and many others that break the copyright code to copy the disk are currently illegal to use on copyrighted dvds...but are fine to use on other dvds...
DeCSS
It's about 6-7 lines of PERL code. Lots of lawsuits, lots of headaches, etc. Best copy I ever saw was written on an red headed Austrailian's body, some years ago.
Was a huge stink about it being illegal to even play a DVD on a Linux box back then.
It's about 6-7 lines of PERL code. Lots of lawsuits, lots of headaches, etc. Best copy I ever saw was written on an red headed Austrailian's body, some years ago.
Was a huge stink about it being illegal to even play a DVD on a Linux box back then.
Why? If it's legal, and works as you claim why not name it? Cuz I can't find one... that sure would be useful.
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Am thinking it's probably Clone CD/DVD program which I've used several times to good success.
Any program that allows you to copy DVD's is illegal as the MPAA got an exemption to Fair Use and the Backup clauses worked in. The only way they think you should be able to back up a DVD is by pointing a camcorder at the screen. Nothing else.
The RIAA on the otherhand wants a royalty for your ring tones, and for any USED cd's being sold, beyond what they already get from blank media, and ASCAP fees.
Triple Dipping.
The RIAA on the otherhand wants a royalty for your ring tones, and for any USED cd's being sold, beyond what they already get from blank media, and ASCAP fees.
Triple Dipping.
AceHBK
Master Black Belt
Notice the makers of such programs live somewhere overseas in hopes of not being sent to court over it.
The biggest one of them all is DVDFab & Slysoft's AnyDVD.
You can make copies but it has to break the encryption off the DVD first.
Once again..it has to do something illegal.
The biggest one of them all is DVDFab & Slysoft's AnyDVD.
You can make copies but it has to break the encryption off the DVD first.
Once again..it has to do something illegal.
celtic_crippler
Senior Master
If somebody is making copies to make a profit, then I think that's wrong.
If somebody is sharing, not making a profit, I really don't see a problem with it. It's an old, existing precedent! Like I said before, people have been making copies for friends since tapes came out and probably even before that.
It's "word-of-mouth" advertising for the product or artist; most of which would actually be less profitable if it weren't for file sharing!!!!
If somebody is sharing, not making a profit, I really don't see a problem with it. It's an old, existing precedent! Like I said before, people have been making copies for friends since tapes came out and probably even before that.
It's "word-of-mouth" advertising for the product or artist; most of which would actually be less profitable if it weren't for file sharing!!!!
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