5 Myths About Those Tinseltown Liberals

[shesulsa]

cuz they HATE the US military and more importantly, they want the people to hate them too

Is that why people like Robin Williams, Kid Rock, 50 Cent and others go entertain the troops? Because they hate the military?

 

[Big Don]

I called them documentaries of an entertaining sort. I also said that the films of Michael Moore and Oliver Stone are polemical, which is to say it's not like their bias is some kind of secret. If a movie goer walks into a Stone or Moore movie without knowing in advance that what they will has a strong liberal or leftist point of view, s/he shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised.

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Similarly, a movie-goer attending a Stallone/Arnold/Sly film knows that the story arc will involve bare knuckles and big guns.

Action movies are what they do, none of the three is Olivier...

In regards to my comment about free speech / First Amendment, you said,



Whose country are you talking about? Approximately half your own electorate did not want George Bush, Jr,

For pete's sake! You would think after a couple of decades in public life and two terms in the White House you'd know the difference between George Herbert Walker Bush (the Forty-first President) and George Walker (hence, the W.) Bush. Jr is normally used when a son is named the same as his father, as in Albert Arnold Gore Jr and Sr. The use of Jr is most often used as a pejorative. Either that, or by those too uniformed to know the president's actual name, such people should probably have adult supervision.

in the White House in two consecutive elections. This is the danger of this America: Love it or leave it business. Are they supposed to simply put up and shut up for eight years? Are critics of a sitting president automatically unpatriotic because they exercise a constitutional right to criticize that president's running of the country? I can guarantee you that the GOP did not shut up for eight years that the Clintons were in the White House.

Nor did the GOP blame Bill Clinton for every bad thing that happened since the great flood...

And yes, regardless of what you or that Hollywood hack have to say, I think the First Amendment is a very strong example of love of country in the USA. It means you're prepared to hear things you don't agree with. It means that you're mature enough to argue with the person who said them, rather than dismiss them as unpatriotic or un-American.

Funny how those who famously promised to leave if Bush was elected, and then again if he was reelected are still here, is threatening to take your balls and go love of country? From the article:

"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke," the late director Robert Altman told the Times of London in January 2002"America is dumb," actor Johnny Depp, who lives in France, said in 2003. Receiving an award in Spain in 2002, actress Jessica Lange told the audience, "It makes me feel ashamed to come from the United States -- it's humiliating."

What part of any of those statements is patriotic?

"America is dumb,"

shows a love of his country how, exactly?

 

[Archangel M]

Actors are only part of Hollywood. Who is putting up the money to fund these non-profit "political point makers" and why?

 

[Big Don]

Is that why people like Robin Williams, Kid Rock, 50 Cent and others go entertain the troops? Because they hate the military?

Perhaps, because they know supporting the troops is popular with people and need people to buy their products? Or gee, maybe, their protests are for show and their service to the troops is not...

 

[Archangel M]

Perhaps, because they know supporting the troops is popular with people and need people to buy their products? Or gee, maybe, their protests are for show and their service to the troops is not...

Hmmm..show to "conservative" of a side in Hollywood and suffer a lack of work perhaps?

Possible. Who knows?

 

[Big Don]

Hmmm..show to "conservative" of a side in Hollywood and suffer a lack of work perhaps?

Possible. Who knows?

Selleck has had loads of lucrative work since his appearance on Rosie hasn't he?

 

[Big Don]

Actors are only part of Hollywood. Who is putting up the money to fund these non-profit "political point makers" and why?

Maybe fielding these crappy, although not non-profit, non-profiting movies is some kind of accounting tool, i.e. we spent x million dollars on this and only sold 5 tickets...

 

[Twin Fist]

Is that why people like Robin Williams, Kid Rock, 50 Cent and others go entertain the troops? Because they hate the military?

actors STAR in movies to get paid, for the most part, i am pretty sure the average actor is too stupid to be in on the "smear the military" train

producers and directors decide which movies get made. And it is pretty clear that THEY have an agenda.

The anti-right bias in hollywood is well documented.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1846714,00.html

just a taste:

There are the things you admit to in Hollywood--that you've been to rehab, that you wrecked your first marriage, that it took 12 people to pick out your outfit. And then there's the thing you don't admit to: that you vote Republican. "I preface it by saying I've been convicted of child molestation, and that breaks the ice," says director David Zucker of sharing his political views with liberal-leaning colleagues. "Then being Republican doesn't seem so bad to them."





About as common per capita as vegans in Texas, Republicans in Hollywood

 

[shesulsa]

So ... why do you think that people who make a living by observing, studying, dissecting and recreating human behavior would ever be liberal? People who have the opportunity to travel the world, meet people from all walks of life? Create a personality from scratch?

I suppose because they made good business decisions to be lucrative with a talent they possess (or one that people will pay for) and they actually are *liberal* ... doesn't set well? Makes them "morons?" Not entitled to a political opinion?

I think it's quite interesting that so many American people identify with the political statements put out by these "left-leaning" movies and that this is automatically dismissed and Hollywood, I suppose, should be barred from expressing political opinion in art?

Now who's uninformed again? Oh wait! What's that word sgtmac used?

 

[Big Don]

So ... why do you think that people who make a living by observing, studying, dissecting and recreating human behavior would ever be liberal? People who have the opportunity to travel the world, meet people from all walks of life? Create a personality from scratch?

You really think much too highly of actors.

 

[shesulsa]

You really think much too highly of actors.

Think highly? Of actors? Please. You know nothing of my loathing of Hollywood.

My statement is factual. The craft of acting is what I posted. It is not opinion. An actor gets a role ... and researches the character in the writing to construct a personality. It can take a lot of research or one can simply just fake it. Both approaches seem to work depending upon who you are and what kind of ah ... "information" ... and talent one possesses.

They seem to have similar personal lives to politicians, ironically. :lol2:

Nevertheless ... just as your dentist, your pastor, your doctor, a coworker or three make a habit out of contributing and volunteering locally and globally, so do some actors.

As to the movies, after what I've seen on the screen over the past decade or more, I daresay people really don't care what they're looking at. The most idiotic smut I've ever laid eyes on have been blockbuster hits and yet, righties and lefties alike pay money to throw away two hours of their lives to watch crap.

How dare anyone have a differing view, anyway? What the hell is that about? Where do these people think we live? AMERICA????? :cuss:

 

[Archangel M]

Obviously we have different opinions on this thread. So whats wrong here? Are we not just being "Americans"?

 

[Andy Moynihan]

Hmmm..show to "conservative" of a side in Hollywood and suffer a lack of work perhaps?

Possible. Who knows?

That's exactly it. Take it from someone trying to break in as a screenwriter.

Remember--you can't spell "flake" without "L.A."

 

[RandomPhantom700]

Well, 3 pages in, I won't have the luxury of using quotes to specifically tailor my responses, but here's what I think on a few of the general assertions made here. On topic, of course; the U.S.'s contribution to World Wars and its move from isolationism to imperialism is, indeed, another topic.

First off, when hearing people bemoan the "obvious bias" of that singular, uniform entity called Hollywood, I often wonder what exactly would rectify matters. Shall we make a law that, say, once an actor or director has made their first million dollars, they're not allowed to involve themselves in or comment on politics, or make movies that address political issues? These actors and directors, biased for or against the government or military as they may or may not be, are still individual citizens of the U.S. If--who was it, Matthew McConnohey, I think? I know I butchered his name--wants to spend his money on a "fact-finding" trip to the Middle East, he's certainly being arrogant, but it's his perrogative. Funny thing is, aren't we, the movie-going American public, the ones who seem to idolize celebrities and thus give them this allegedly hightened status in the first place? Actors and directors are people with their own opinions, and they do not and should not surrender their rights to express views simply because they've become public figures.

Next, it is indeed NOT unpatriotic to criticize the government or choice to go to war, doing so is one of the primary rights and freedoms that defines this country. First Amendment, anyone? Freedom of the press? You think these were created solely in the hopes that we'd all wake up each morning and, of our own free will, recite the national anthem Leave-It-To-Beaver style? Some things that I would consider unpatriotic are direct treason like selling nuclear technology to foreign nations, interfering with election processes, revealing the name of a CIA agent in order to penalize her husband, or arresting citizens for acting on the rights that our country's founded on. THOSE acts are unpatriotic and piss on everything that our forefathers and soldiers have fought and died for, not disagreeing with the government.

Finally, and this flows from the second point, just because someone makes a documentary that's critical of current government policies, or thinks that the choice to go into Iraq (now, sadly, a moot issue) was meritless, does not mean that that person hates America or wants to throw on a turban and steer the next plane into a tower. It's not only ignorant, but willfully ignorant, to think that every liberal out there who criticizes current decisions and situations, from Michael Moore all the way down to broke college-student me, hates America and needs to leave. I love this country, always will, but recent history has brought about some things that don't make me proud. That doesn't mean that I, or anyone else, am not a true American.

I think I've had my say on the matter. If you choose to respond to anything I've said, I'd appreciate it if you used more than one or two sentences.

 

[Cryozombie]

While I dont really care one way or another...

I did notice today while relaxing after my weekend and catching up with some shows "on demand" in two of the four that I watched they made deragatory remarks about Republicans... One was a girl being embarrased to find out the guy she was dating was one, and one where the girl questioned the guy asking if he was some kind of Republican.

So I'd say there may be some bias from Hollywood twords republicans.

 

[Cryozombie]

Next, it is indeed NOT unpatriotic to criticize the government or choice to go to war, doing so is one of the primary rights and freedoms that defines this country. First Amendment, anyone? Freedom of the press? You think these were created solely in the hopes that we'd all wake up each morning and, of our own free will, recite the national anthem Leave-It-To-Beaver style?

To be fair, excercising these rights doesn't make somthing patriotic, however. Patriotism ISN'T excercising your rights of freedom of speech, or right to bear arms, or assemble, etc...

BUT Patriotism is a showing of pride and support in/for your country. And not neccessarily your government... so on that point I'll agree with you.

 

[shesulsa]

BUT Patriotism is a showing of pride and support in/for your country. And not neccessarily your government... so on that point I'll agree with you.

Very well put, Cryo. And I completely agree.

 

[Tez3]

If most of the "Old World" could have handled the last two world wars without our help we wouldnt be where we are in the world today.

If we werent called upon or expected to deal with international problems as often as we are we wouldnt be where we are today either.

We arent so bad when someone wants our money or our military, until we arent wanted any longer.

Well we paid you for that didn't we? The last payment of £45,000,000 was paid to you in December 2006 by our government. We've been paying you every year since 1945. We went to war with Japan to aid you as we have been to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with you, to support you not the other way around but I think that's a discussion for another day. Too many good lives have been sacrified for freedom to cheapen them by suggesting we only appreciate our friends and allies when we can get money and troops off them.

Hollywood has long changed history in it's films to the point that many actually believe what happened in a film rather than the truth, this is especially true of Second World War films and any historical epic. I suspect that it's more to attract box office ratings though rather than any political plot. Making Che Guevara an attractive character will get more bums on seats than a boring trawl through an unattractive life! The same with Eva Peron, people don't want 'the truth' when they go to a cinema, they want to be entertained and the film makers want money in the bank. It's a business.

 

[Big Don]

Making Che Guevara an attractive character will get more bums on seats than a boring trawl through an unattractive life! The same with Eva Peron, people don't want 'the truth' when they go to a cinema, they want to be entertained and the film makers want money in the bank. It's a business.

Good point,those are certainly two of the WORST people to be made heroes by Hollywood.

 

[Archangel M]

Well we paid you for that didn't we? The last payment of £45,000,000 was paid to you in December 2006 by our government. We've been paying you every year since 1945. We went to war with Japan to aid you as we have been to war in Iraq and Afghanistan with you, to support you not the other way around but I think that's a discussion for another day. Too many good lives have been sacrified for freedom to cheapen them by suggesting we only appreciate our friends and allies when we can get money and troops off them.

I dont want to give the impression that the UK are "fair weather friends", my barb was aimed a bit more east of you folks.

The main point of that post was to give my opinion of how the US got to its current position in world affairs, and that is rooted in our post war philosophy of "not again". As in we were not going to be sitting by isolated on this side of the pond only to play catch-up if and when the next big war "over there" flared up. And through out the Cold War it did indeed look like another one was.