12 Angles and Targeting
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Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
Arnisador,
This might be an East Coast thing as the first time I came to Buffalo in 1987 at John Bryant's school (back when Tim Hartman was a puppy - either a green or brown belt) I had to correct everyone into actually striking at a target and not a foot away. Yes, a foot away, and this was everyone I came in contact with.
Remy Presas, never, ever had us hit at the shoulder for strikes 1&2 in formal (or otherwise) practice. It was always the head. Other areas of the country I cannot vouch for nor other instructor's preferences.
Yours,
Dan
Oh Danny Boy!,
I would have to agree with you, that some schools were taught one way, or that the 'instructor' of rank what ever it was changed something, either for less damage or 'safer' practicing.
I agree in the Flint Schools it has always been the head and the temple.
But, I am willing to accept that others may have been taught other ways. Yet, I hope they listen here and elsewhere to these types of discussions and then adjust their techniques accordingly. i.e. kids vs. adults. or beginners vs. advanced. or WOW this is cool and I will do it this way.
Just my thoughts
Rich
:asian:
Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
Ricky,
I have books which show, in actual photos, there numbers 1&2 go.
Authoringly yours,
Dan
:asian:
I have books which show, in actual photos, there numbers 1&2 go.
Authoringly yours,
Dan
:asian:
True Dan,
And I never doubted the books or you. I have them now or in the past in a previous life. One and Two are to the head, but I think I should have said I could see where someone might have changed it to teach kids, and then everyone else ofrgot or did not learn the correct way. I also have seen many a person want to touch on every strike. So they target the shoulder to touch so as to limit the amount of damage of repeated strikes to the head. (* Which I ahve taken in my youth.
*) And then the next generation losses the concept that the Shoulder was the chosen target to hit the person for practice, when the head are the actual target.Ciao
Rich
Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
Ricardo,
You are missing the point completely. I am trying to generate a sale here.
Dan
You are missing the point completely. I am trying to generate a sale here.
Dan
Originally posted by Dan Anderson
Ricardo,
You are missing the point completely. I am trying to generate a sale here.
Dan
DOH!
I never said I was smart or quick.
Just Obtuse and Oblique. :rofl:
Good luck on the Sale if I have not blown it.
Rich
:asian:
thekuntawman
Purple Belt
i have a suggestion for #1 and #2
instead of going all the way to the side of the head to hit the temple. practice the hittings going to the face, like the nose, or side of the eye sockets or cheekbones. then make the angle almost straight to him like a jab instead of like a hook. you will see if you play with it that your strike will miss his block almost every time. why?
because most people train the block to go all the way to the side. your stick if you do it my way will slide in past his stick, even if his block catches your strike, he is going one way and you are going the other way, try it you'll see that i am right.
instead of going all the way to the side of the head to hit the temple. practice the hittings going to the face, like the nose, or side of the eye sockets or cheekbones. then make the angle almost straight to him like a jab instead of like a hook. you will see if you play with it that your strike will miss his block almost every time. why?
because most people train the block to go all the way to the side. your stick if you do it my way will slide in past his stick, even if his block catches your strike, he is going one way and you are going the other way, try it you'll see that i am right.
Damian Mavis
Master Black Belt
"It's a good thing you don't do any FMA and posted here anyway."
Ah for crying out loud Angus you made me pee my pants with that comment. Bastard.
All this talk of angles of attack makes me want to go back to Kali class. I miss it so......
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
Ah for crying out loud Angus you made me pee my pants with that comment. Bastard.
All this talk of angles of attack makes me want to go back to Kali class. I miss it so......
Damian Mavis
Honour TKD
K Williams
Blue Belt
1-Forehand diagonal to left temple/ear
2-Backhand diagonal to right temple/ear
3-Forehand horizontal to left elbow/ribs/hip
4-Backhand horizontal to right elbow/ribs/hip
5-Straight thrust to abdomen
6-Downward thrust to left clavicle
7-Downward thrust to right clavicle
8-Backhand diagonal to right knee
9-Forehand diagonal to left knee
10-Straight thrust to left eye
11-Straight thrust to right eye
12-Downward vertical strike to crown of head
2-Backhand diagonal to right temple/ear
3-Forehand horizontal to left elbow/ribs/hip
4-Backhand horizontal to right elbow/ribs/hip
5-Straight thrust to abdomen
6-Downward thrust to left clavicle
7-Downward thrust to right clavicle
8-Backhand diagonal to right knee
9-Forehand diagonal to left knee
10-Straight thrust to left eye
11-Straight thrust to right eye
12-Downward vertical strike to crown of head
D
DWright
Guest
This is exactly as I was taught.
It looks like it could have been taken right out of Dan Andersons
book.
(Do I get points for that Mr. Anderson:rofl: )
Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
All sorts of points...no discounts, but all sorts of points.
Yours in finances,
Dan Anderson
Buy the book!
K Williams
Blue Belt
I don't know anything about Mr. Anderson's book. These are the strikes that were taught to me by my Guro.
Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
Dear K Williams,
A couple of posters and I are having fun with each other regarding a book that I wrote. I would be surprised if you learned them from my book as it has only been out for a few months. MartialTalk shifts from serious business to good natured fun faster than a speeding bullet sometimes and if you are relatively new or don't know the posters, it can get misleading.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
A couple of posters and I are having fun with each other regarding a book that I wrote. I would be surprised if you learned them from my book as it has only been out for a few months. MartialTalk shifts from serious business to good natured fun faster than a speeding bullet sometimes and if you are relatively new or don't know the posters, it can get misleading.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
K Williams
Blue Belt
Originally posted by Dan Anderson
Dear K Williams,
A couple of posters and I are having fun with each other regarding a book that I wrote. I would be surprised if you learned them from my book as it has only been out for a few months. MartialTalk shifts from serious business to good natured fun faster than a speeding bullet sometimes and if you are relatively new or don't know the posters, it can get misleading.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
Oh OK. Just making sure that no one accuses me of copying information from your book.
Thanks,
K. Williams
Dan Anderson
Master of Arts
K,
(You aren't related to the agent of the same name in Men In Black, are you?) To catch some of the humor which abounds in MartialTalk, go to the Modern Arnis fourmm thread No Personal Agendas.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
(You aren't related to the agent of the same name in Men In Black, are you?) To catch some of the humor which abounds in MartialTalk, go to the Modern Arnis fourmm thread No Personal Agendas.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
I
IMAA
Guest
Hello All
Well to add gas to the fire here Im going to add what were taught here in INDIANA and it was our 12 basic numerado that I was passed down from Guru Inosanto to Guru Ogle to Me.
1. Horizontal forehand to the "left" side of the temple, ear,neck.
2. Horizontal backhand to the Right side of the " "
3. horizontal forehand to the left side of the Ribs,elbow, hip area.
4. horizontal backhand to the right side of the " "
5. A thrust with the hand grip facing upwards into the lower abdominal area, possibly groin, and have been told to Solar plexas area as well.
6. A overhead 1or2 handed thrust to the throat/eyes/base under the nose area.
7. reversal thrust same areas (6 and 7 flow together)
8. is like a straight punch to the facial area/throat target with the stick in your hand, could possibly hook the punyo end on contact.
9. forehand to left knee/thigh area
10. backhand right side knee/thigh area
11. is a twrill over head thrustingdownward slash thru body to feet
12. Is a hard thrustall the way thru cntr if its a sword or a punyo strike to chin if its stick.
These are my 12 strike that I was taught and I pass dwn. Know ther is an advanced numerado set as well But what Jeremy was tryng to get at for his point being is what Pressure point targets do you guys if at all focus on with your targets.
Let me start
like angle 1and 2 could attack BL2 above the eye
or TW around the ear
or ST8 on the side of the head
angles 3 and 4 could attack such an area as
HEart 9,8,7,4 on the hands and wrist area
or LI 10, 11, 12 on the outer elbow area etc...
If you are famiar with these charts I beleive thats what he is refering too..... thanks again
and salemat..
Cory
Well to add gas to the fire here Im going to add what were taught here in INDIANA and it was our 12 basic numerado that I was passed down from Guru Inosanto to Guru Ogle to Me.
1. Horizontal forehand to the "left" side of the temple, ear,neck.
2. Horizontal backhand to the Right side of the " "
3. horizontal forehand to the left side of the Ribs,elbow, hip area.
4. horizontal backhand to the right side of the " "
5. A thrust with the hand grip facing upwards into the lower abdominal area, possibly groin, and have been told to Solar plexas area as well.
6. A overhead 1or2 handed thrust to the throat/eyes/base under the nose area.
7. reversal thrust same areas (6 and 7 flow together)
8. is like a straight punch to the facial area/throat target with the stick in your hand, could possibly hook the punyo end on contact.
9. forehand to left knee/thigh area
10. backhand right side knee/thigh area
11. is a twrill over head thrustingdownward slash thru body to feet
12. Is a hard thrustall the way thru cntr if its a sword or a punyo strike to chin if its stick.
These are my 12 strike that I was taught and I pass dwn. Know ther is an advanced numerado set as well But what Jeremy was tryng to get at for his point being is what Pressure point targets do you guys if at all focus on with your targets.
Let me start
like angle 1and 2 could attack BL2 above the eye
or TW around the ear
or ST8 on the side of the head
angles 3 and 4 could attack such an area as
HEart 9,8,7,4 on the hands and wrist area
or LI 10, 11, 12 on the outer elbow area etc...
If you are famiar with these charts I beleive thats what he is refering too..... thanks again
and salemat..
Cory
Striking with Control and with the Flow
With Control (* Called Broken striking in some systems *)
1 ) Forehand To the Temple
2 ) Backhand to the Temple
3 ) Horizontal Forehand to the Floating Rib
4 ) Horizontal Back Hand to the Floating Rib
5 ) Thrust to the Abdomen
6 ) Thrust to the Chest / Heart Area
7 ) Back Thrust to the Chest / Upper Lung
8 ) Back Hand down to the Opponents left knee
9 ) Fore Hand to the Opponents right knee
10) Thrust to face / Opponents left eye
11) Thrust to the Face / Opponents right eye
12) Strike down to the Cranium
With Flow - Cutting motion
1 ) Forehand 45 degree strike downwards in the head and upper shoulder area.
2 ) Backhand 45 degree strike downwards in the head and upper shoulder area.
3 ) Horizontal Forehand strike to the mid-section.
4 ) Horizontal backhand strike to the mid-section.
5 ) Thrust to the mid section hooking upwards.
6 ) Thrust to the Chest / Heart area hooking from outside to inside.
7 ) Back Thrust to the Chest / Upper Lung area from outside to inside.
8 ) Strike to the Opponents left knee
9 ) Strike to the Opponents right knee
10) Back Thrust to Opponents right eye
11) Thrust to Opponents left eye
12) Strike down to the Cranium.
Note: 10 and 11 are switched in targeting between Control and Flow.
Just to add to the confusion
Rich
With Control (* Called Broken striking in some systems *)
1 ) Forehand To the Temple
2 ) Backhand to the Temple
3 ) Horizontal Forehand to the Floating Rib
4 ) Horizontal Back Hand to the Floating Rib
5 ) Thrust to the Abdomen
6 ) Thrust to the Chest / Heart Area
7 ) Back Thrust to the Chest / Upper Lung
8 ) Back Hand down to the Opponents left knee
9 ) Fore Hand to the Opponents right knee
10) Thrust to face / Opponents left eye
11) Thrust to the Face / Opponents right eye
12) Strike down to the Cranium
With Flow - Cutting motion
1 ) Forehand 45 degree strike downwards in the head and upper shoulder area.
2 ) Backhand 45 degree strike downwards in the head and upper shoulder area.
3 ) Horizontal Forehand strike to the mid-section.
4 ) Horizontal backhand strike to the mid-section.
5 ) Thrust to the mid section hooking upwards.
6 ) Thrust to the Chest / Heart area hooking from outside to inside.
7 ) Back Thrust to the Chest / Upper Lung area from outside to inside.
8 ) Strike to the Opponents left knee
9 ) Strike to the Opponents right knee
10) Back Thrust to Opponents right eye
11) Thrust to Opponents left eye
12) Strike down to the Cranium.
Note: 10 and 11 are switched in targeting between Control and Flow.
Just to add to the confusion
Rich
lhommedieu
Black Belt
Re. "What you've described is Cacoy Canetes 12 strikes, rather than THE 12 strikes of Doce Pares! Doce Pares GB uses both the original 12 strikes (see below) and Cacoy's 12 strikes."
Interesting that Momoy Canete has his own version as well:
1. Diagonal forehand slash to neck or collarbone
2. Diagonal backhand slash to neck or collarbone
3. Horizontal forehand slash to waist, hip, or elbow
4. Horizontal backhand slash to waist, hip or elbow
5. Thrust to lower right quadrant Ā palm down
6. Thrust to lower left quadrant Ā palm up
7. Upward forehand diagonal slash to knee or hip
8. Upward backhand diagonal slash to knee or hip
9. Thrust to upper right quadrant Ā palm down
10. Thrust to upper left quadrant Ā palm up
11. Vertical slash downward to crown of head
12. High palm-down thrust to temple or eye
The transition from #10 to #11 occurs as a vertical flywheel (redondo); #12 starts from near the ground and comes up under the peripheral vision as a steep forehand thrust. Thrusts are also known as "sunkets" in this system, due to their hooking action.
In San Miguel Eskrima the 12 Strikes generally taught the first day. They are used to introduce the student to basic targets and angles of attack. They are also used to train body mechanics, distancing and timing (as footwork is introduced), and to show the importance of covering the centerline.
Best,
Steve Lamade
San Miguel Eskrima
Interesting that Momoy Canete has his own version as well:
1. Diagonal forehand slash to neck or collarbone
2. Diagonal backhand slash to neck or collarbone
3. Horizontal forehand slash to waist, hip, or elbow
4. Horizontal backhand slash to waist, hip or elbow
5. Thrust to lower right quadrant Ā palm down
6. Thrust to lower left quadrant Ā palm up
7. Upward forehand diagonal slash to knee or hip
8. Upward backhand diagonal slash to knee or hip
9. Thrust to upper right quadrant Ā palm down
10. Thrust to upper left quadrant Ā palm up
11. Vertical slash downward to crown of head
12. High palm-down thrust to temple or eye
The transition from #10 to #11 occurs as a vertical flywheel (redondo); #12 starts from near the ground and comes up under the peripheral vision as a steep forehand thrust. Thrusts are also known as "sunkets" in this system, due to their hooking action.
In San Miguel Eskrima the 12 Strikes generally taught the first day. They are used to introduce the student to basic targets and angles of attack. They are also used to train body mechanics, distancing and timing (as footwork is introduced), and to show the importance of covering the centerline.
Best,
Steve Lamade
San Miguel Eskrima
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