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There was no weight room in the Worcester (may have been Shrewsbury) school when I was there, but @Buka would likely know more about it than IIt's possible that @Buka might remember if the Boston area school and if there was a weight room. I had been to the Hyanis school that was supposed to be some sort of headquarters. I don't remember a weight room nor did I ever remember any instructor talking about physical fitness.
What may be the root of the rumor, from what I remember, is that in the beginning Fred had struck a deal with a fitness chain to use part of their facility to teach classes. Today this is common place to have aerobics and other type classes at a gym but back then this was a new concept. Things like Jazzersize was popular in the 70s.
Are you referring to route 9 in shrewsbury in the 1980's?There was no weight room in the Worcester (may have been Shrewsbury) school when I was there, but @Buka would likely know more about it than I
It was one on route 20 off route 9, and it was sometime between 1979 and 1981. But i was only there about 1 monthAre you referring to route 9 in shrewsbury in the 1980's?
That was Jimmy C. School I believe. Worcester was run by Rick Banks on park Ave. But owned by Harvey Thayler who also owned the Grafton school.
I trained in worcester. None of the schools I knew had weights.
However one of Harvey's students who i can't remember his name at the moment did open a school toward Boston that incorporated a full gym, fitness center.
When things get real on streets, what is better to be? Trained and out of shape, or physically fit and untrained?Anybody know if Fred Villari was a proponent of weightlifting as part of one's overall training? I was told the original school had a weight room
Weightlifting doesn’t necessarily equal in shape. Although I do like to integrate weight training into my weekly workouts.When things get real on streets, what is better to be? Trained and out of shape, or physically fit and untrained?
I find that a very interesting question. I don’t know the answer but it will be fun thinking about it.When things get real on streets, what is better to be? Trained and out of shape, or physically fit and untrained?
How trained? How out of shape or physically fit?When things get real on streets, what is better to be? Trained and out of shape, or physically fit and untrained?
Boom!There is certainly a level of physical fitness that I am not going to beat in a fair fight even if the other guy is untrained. My chances of beating someone like Hafthor Bjornson in an unarmed fight are essentially zero. (Even if you let me go against the version of Bjornson before he learned to box.)
Isn’t MA physical fitness?Boom!
This is actually my point. Physical fitness should always be encouraged in martial arts. If an entire art's curriculum could be placed on a chip that could be implanted in your brain, it would be useless if you're winded after 10 seconds.
If such a person were to fight a basketball or hockey player (could be strictly recreational, doesn't have to be in an organized league) who has never trained in a martial art, I'm putting my money on the basketball or hockey player.
Let's look at U.S. prisons before they removed weights. Weights were the go-to exercise in prison because brute strength and increased muscular body weight proved to be insurmountable in fights. Looking at prison, the convicts had to make it their business to choose the most effective physical endeavor for survival. Interestingly, martial arts was not the number one choice. Heavy weightlifting was the first line of physical exercise. Weights became so effective, the convicts were considered a danger not only to each other but to the guards as well, and most Prisons began removing weights.When things get real on streets, what is better to be? Trained and out of shape, or physically fit and untrained?
But is weightlifting the only way to be fit?Boom!
This is actually my point. Physical fitness should always be encouraged in martial arts. If an entire art's curriculum could be placed on a chip that could be implanted in your brain, it would be useless if you're winded after 10 seconds.
If such a person were to fight a basketball or hockey player (could be strictly recreational, doesn't have to be in an organized league) who has never trained in a martial art, I'm putting my money on the basketball or hockey player.
Exactly. In the extreme training that we did as part of our profession, they would always tell us that cardio training was the most beneficial.But is weightlifting the only way to be fit?
It’s because they attack in packs, and prey on targets of opportunity.Let's look at U.S. prisons before they removed weights. Weights were the go-to exercise in prison because brute strength and increased muscular body weight proved to be insurmountable in fights. Looking at prison, the convicts had to make it their business to choose the most effective physical endeavor for survival. Interestingly, martial arts was not the number one choice. Heavy weightlifting was the first line of physical exercise. Weights became so effective, the convicts were considered a danger not only to each other but to the guards as well, and most Prisons began removing weights.
Could you provide some examples of this OTHER THAN from cinema?It’s because they attack in packs, and prey on targets of opportunity.
you do realize the same could be asked of you that you asked gyojaLet's look at U.S. prisons before they removed weights. Weights were the go-to exercise in prison because brute strength and increased muscular body weight proved to be insurmountable in fights. Looking at prison, the convicts had to make it their business to choose the most effective physical endeavor for survival. Interestingly, martial arts was not the number one choice. Heavy weightlifting was the first line of physical exercise. Weights became so effective, the convicts were considered a danger not only to each other but to the guards as well, and most Prisons began removing weights.
basically verifiable statistics.Could you provide some examples of this OTHER THAN from cinema?
Huntsville prison system (Texas)Could you provide some examples of this OTHER THAN from cinema?