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It has to do with you being in a strong position and them being weak. Which can be some very subtle differences. And it is not always intuitive.
The issue is that almost nobody who is any good is putting much time in to your crank a locks. (And this is because there is no real money in it. Sports guys can't do them so they don't bother. And crank a lock guys don't have to be very good. So they don't bother)
So you have to come at the mechanics sideways a bit. Find similar ideas and re work them.
Who was that?Many, many years ago during my very short time in jiu-jutsu, I had the honor to engage in randori with a Russian Olympic judo champion.
It was over 50 years ago, a one-time thing, so that's all I can recall. The jiu jutsu sensei's name was Seki. This is long before you were probably born. But, why do you ask?Who was that?
You said "champion". That's not an Olympic rank.
Gold, silver, bronze? Soviet, Federation?
I follow Olympic Judo very, very closely.
Just curious. That's a short list. Maybe 10 people.It was over 50 years ago, a one-time thing, so that's all I can recall. The jiu jutsu sensei's name was Seki. This is long before you were probably born. But, why do you ask?
Some sport rulesets do allow them, as I understand. Some of these locks don't have a lot of "availability" (situations where they are reasonable answers), and that goes down the better your opponent is at defending arm locks. And some of them just aren't good for submission, because (as we've been discussing) there's too fine a line between "almost there" and "too far" - leading to injuries. Someone training for sport is much better served pursuing options that can be reasonably practiced at speed with resistance. You can get good with other techniques in the time it takes to start to get the feel for some of these - it's just not an efficient training path for competition. Some of the folks I've trained with who worked as bouncers, cops, etc. found these fairly useful (I never needed any of my MA this way, even when working security or the little bit of door work I did), even if they didn't go to the lock. The near-finish on these should include some signicant structure disruption they could use to get a situation under control - leading to cuffing or escort techniques.standing wrist or elbow locks not allowed in sport applications? Why not? It seems like a viable lead in.
I appreciate your interest in accuracy of claims, and one I share. In that regard I will admit to only a 80% chance he was an Olympic/World medalist with a 20% chance he was just a national medalist. The incident is 100% true.Just curious. That's a short list. Maybe 10 people.
I appreciate your interest in accuracy of claims, and one I share. In that regard I will admit to only a 80% chance he was an Olympic/World medalist with a 20% chance he was just a national medalist. The incident is 100% true.
1964 Summer Olympics | |||
Lightweight, Men | Oleg Stepanov | =3 | Bronze |
Ārons Boguļubovs | =3 | Bronze | |
Heavyweight, Men | Parnaoz Chik'viladze | =3 | Bronze |
Anzor K'ik'nadze | =3 | Bronze | |
1972 Summer Olympics | |||
Lightweight, Men | Sergey Suslin | =13 | |
Half-Middleweight, Men | Anatoly Novikov | =3 | Bronze |
Middleweight, Men | Guram Gogolauri | =5 | |
Half-Heavyweight, Men | Shota Chochishvili | 1 | Gold |
Heavyweight, Men | Givi Onashvili | =3 | Bronze |
Open Class, Men | Vitaly Kuznetsov | 2 | Silver |
I learned application to a much higher degree in the military. I also honed some of my self discipline as well, for example when I was food and sleep deprived.Learning comes from all your contacts, experiences and all facets of your life. The assimilation of learning is called knowledge and the proper use of knowledge is called wisdom. Knowledge in martial arts can come from fields outside the martial arts. Knowledge can come from your peers, your elders, your juniors, your teachers, your students and even from your mistakes. Sometimes in a light conversation outside of a class room, you can become aware of a concept that a two-hour classroom lecture didn't reveal to you - Dan Inosanto
Absorb what is useful. Dan Inosanto's short essay which began this thread is thought-provoking. As students and teachers it is important to learn from all our life experiences. Last year I asked those who teach for their thoughts on improving and evolving their teaching. A lot of responses referred to the technical aspects of training; knowing the fundamentals is key, but there is much more to learning and teaching martial arts in the long run.
In the Dan Inosanto extract above he speaks about knowledge in martial arts coming from fields outside of the martial arts and I am curious to know what kinds of examples come to the minds of forum members here?
Yes, whether people realize it or not.Everything within our experience operates within the laws of physics. This includes martial arts.
More specifically, he is describing Newton's 3 Laws of Motion.However, what this fellow described in the video is nothing more than introductory physics, even using the typical impact descriptions of “which would generate more force, a car moving at 5 mph vs. a heavier truck moving at 5 mph” that you would find in an introductory physics course.
Well, it's an introductory video. He may or may not be able to go more in depth in another video or class. Here Michael Page covers creating impact (action/reaction), momentum and head on collisions which follows Newton's Laws of Motion. (In throwing, the impact is the ground.)He didn’t make any real connection to the martial arts with this introductory physics. He tried. It was extremely non-specific, which gives nothing that is actually useful. Is an understanding of physics useful, and worthwhile in its own right? Absolutely. But trying to marry the equations to martial methods is something that I believe is a largely fruitless and pointless exercise.
Yeah, it’s intentional. It's usually based off something that they're doing, a forward action that they're doing. It’s often I like to create, my coach likes to call it, the “car crash” effect. I get you pulling forward. And then that's when I decide to go in the opposite direction. I want to constantly create a car crash.
So yeah, I need to have an understanding of the person that's in front of me. Everybody likes to respond differently. So for the first minute, minute and a half, depending on how quickly it takes for me to kind of figure somebody out, I call it “attaching strings.” Every time I fake, I might see you twitch. I'm like okay that's for that. And I'll twitch this and I see something else happening. So, I'm attaching strings where I'm doing a lot of faking, a lot of moving. But nothing's happening. But there's a lot going on. It's intentional just for me to understand what your preference is for a specific thing. What are you waiting for? Okay now I know how to bait you. Now, I know how to start pulling and playing with the strings I have now attached. [Now it's the case of which move am I going to assign to this.
However, there are MAists that advocate block, trap or pull, then punch which can reduce the force of impact and cause other issues. There is a difference in impact force and timing. "Don't chase hands, chase the center."It is no mystery, nor is it the exclusive realm of the physicist that if you punch a target that is moving toward you, you will land the strike with more force than if the target is stationary or moving away from you (assuming all other factors are equal). Trying to point to Newton’s laws to describe such an interaction in the chaos of combat is rather meaningless.
Yes, some may be using physics more for marketing, others not. Jeet Kune Do takes a physics and scientific approach to their pursuit of "absorb what is useful."Aside from this exercise being largely pointless, in my opinion, my cynical side suspects it is more about trying to claim a higher level of sophistication in one’s methods. “look at us! We aren’t just brutish brawlers (like the rest of you Neanderthals)! We are HIGHLY EDUCATED SCIENTISTS!! See??!! I am using NEWTON’S LAWS OF PHYSICS!!”
However, guiding principles can be useful. Robert Chuckrow writes about tai chi and Newton's Laws of Motion.This is pointless and can very quickly become downright nonsense, and I hate to say it but it seems like the kenpo lineages (which the fellow in the video is part of) tend to go down this kind of path more than others Ive seen.
“A Force of 1,000 Pounds can be deflected with a Force of Four Ounces.” What is meant by this oft-quoted saying is that a very powerful attack can be deflected with a very small force....
Steven Pearlman's book is perfect for those of you who enjoy discussing the theory and reading about Newtonian physics as applied to martial arts:Yes, whether people realize it or not.
More specifically, he is describing Newton's 3 Laws of Motion.
Well, it's an introductory video. He may or may not be able to go more in depth in another video or class. Here Michael Page covers creating impact (action/reaction), momentum and head on collisions which follows Newton's Laws of Motion. (In throwing, the impact is the ground.)
However, there are MAists that advocate block, trap or pull, then punch which can reduce the force of impact and cause other issues. There is a difference in impact force and timing. "Don't chase hands, chase the center."
Yes, some may be using physics more for marketing, others not. Jeet Kune Do takes a physics and scientific approach to their pursuit of "absorb what is useful."
However, guiding principles can be useful. Robert Chuckrow writes about tai chi and Newton's Laws of Motion.
Excerpt from "A Clarification of “Secret” Teachings Revealed by Cheng Man-ch’ing:"
The definitive word here is "enjoy." For many (and me to a lesser extent) it is interesting to see how the laws of physics coincides with MA, but it isn't necessary to be a good martial artist. Objects in nature follow these laws independent of their understanding of them. We all know that lowering our center of gravity aids in balance and lends some additional force in downward strikes and takedowns. Not because we've studied Newton's Laws, but because we have observed and personally experienced them.Steven Pearlman's book is perfect for those of you who enjoy discussing the theory and reading about Newtonian physics as applied to martial arts
So they say about alot, but we still don't know in what realm the laws of physics themselves operate or evolve within, especially as you ponder about the forces possible diversities from one master interaction at big bang.Yes, whether people realize it or not.Everything within our experience operates within the laws of physics. This includes martial arts.
I like to see similarities between abstractions.Even allowing that studying the mathematical basis of physics may help someone tweek their MA by 1 or 3%, using that time to study tactics and combat psychology and practicing the moves will better oneself 10 or 20%.
Lol, Guru Inosanto told my friend he was to be promoted in recognition of his many years of practice and teaching. To come to his event to be acknowledged. What he had not mentioned was the large amount of money he was expect to pay for it.Absorb What is Useful
-by Guro Dan Inosanto
I love Pearlman's book, especially in how it crosses disciplines and styles.Steven Pearlman's book is perfect for those of you who enjoy discussing the theory and reading about Newtonian physics as applied to martial arts:
Amazon.com
.........allows us to be in two places at once? Cool. I can land both a front kick and back kick on a guy at the same time.One could argue that Quantum Mechanics..........