Sword attack in NYC.
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14 shots? Whats the standard side arm in NYC, and standard load? In any event, isn't 14 rounds excessive? Expecially when you shoot your own people?
Sounds like his reaction was influenced by a bit of fear. I think I'd be pretty scared if some guy came out soaked in blood carrying a sword and screaming that he is God. I just can't figure out how he hit is own while firing. I thought most sidearms had 12 rounds. If so then that means he reloaded, now I think that is excessive.
Cruentus
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Depends on how many rounds actually hit the sword wielder. If a round hit one of his own guys, I am already questioning his aim. Also, the guy could have been wacked out enough to not go down after taking a few rounds, or to try to get up and continue the attack after taking a few, causing him to have to reload and fire 2 more shots into the attacker. You never know....I just have a hard time believing that the cop is going to reload and fire 2 more rounds for no good reason other then to be excessive.
This is all assuming that the report is correct, when they often screw up the details.
PAUL
satans.barber
Master Black Belt
Another religious nutter bites the dust....it's so sad that they always have to take someone with them, that poor woman must have been in such pain 
Ian.
Ian.
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sercuerdasfigther
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ther are police capacity magazines which hold 15 rounds.
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Dijos
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The NYPD issue is a Glock 22, if I'm not mistaken.--Joe
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To the first quote. Regardless of this officer's apparent bad aim, you continue to shoot until there is no longer a threat. Period.
I have no idea what NYPD's issue weapon is, but I do know that the Glock 22 holds 15 rounds of .40. It is my agency's issue weapon, and the most commonly issued firearm in law enforcement right now.
I'm waiting for the family of this nut to say, "Why did they have to shoot him where they did? Why couldnt they shoot him in the legs?" That is something that you hear ALL the time. As for the number of shots----there are lots of different things that we can assume happened, but unless we were there, we'll probably never know the entire truth. Was is excessive? If he kept coming, then I'd have to say no, keep shooting until the guy is stopped. If he went down and they kept shooting, then yeah, that would be too much.
Mike
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I'd be willing to bet that the officer who fired was either a rookie, or had suffered some kind of knife-related trauma sometime in his life. I'm no gun expert, but firing most of your clip at one guy with a sword seems like a definite sign of panic.
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You may be right on this point. But maybe not. Some people just don't go down from handgun rounds. You just never know.
OP
That's a double negative isn't it? Sorry if I'm being nit-picky. Are you sayig it is reasonable or unreasonable?
Personally, I think a kukri though the neck would've dropped him. The trick is getting close enough to use it.
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ssr
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If he's shooting he's using lethal force. And lethal force is lethal force. Use as many rounds as it takes to eliminate the threat.
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Crazy Chihuahua
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Originally posted by satans.barber
Another religious nutter bites the dust....it's so sad that they always have to take someone with them, that poor woman must have been in such pain
Ian.
Up here, the standard RCMP service weapon is Smith & Wesson... I think the model number is 5946, but it's been a while since I had one in my hands (I was in a co-op placement at "O" Div. RCMP Headquarters in London.) Anyway, the mags are 15 rounds, so if a Mountie could be packing up to 16 shots loaded, I'm sure NYPD can, too. You know how we are up here about all the gun control and stuff!
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Crazy Chihuahua
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And I SO quoted the wrong post there, it was supposed to be the one about the 15 round magazine. Anyway, posting again is faster than going back to fix that, so yeah...
KenpoTex
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We've already established that the Glock 22 holds 15+1 (if they issue the Glock 17 in 9mm you would have 17+1). So is 14 rounds unreasonable? Anyone familiar with firearms can tell you that it doesn't take very long to empty the mag. (especially under an adrenelin dump) in fact, he was probably only shooting for about 4 seconds give or take and due to the fact that most officers are trained based on the philosophy "shoot until they go down" that's not outside the realm of possibility. As far as the other officer getting hit, "who knows" maybe the subject was moving or the officer who was shooting was just stressed.
