Push Daggers
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I personally love them, I own about twenty or so. Now about pro's and con's I have no answer for mine are for my collection sorry.
Terry
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I've got one and have experimented with carrying it. However, I haven't decided whether it's going to be a part of my EDC yet.
Pro's:
-very intuitive...just punch. To me, this makes them ideally suited for weapon-retention situations because you can use them very effectively with your "off hand." Many people, myself included unfortunately, don't practice their knife work as much with their off hand. This knife eliminates that concern. Just draw and start throwing jabs.
-it's very efficient; lots of damage with minimal exertion
Con's:
-they're very task specific. The same qualities that make them very easy to use, also limit your options when using them. In other words, they're no good for anything other than punching at someone.
-they're not legal in many places. Many places don't allow fixed blades (which these are). If they do allow fixed blades, many places don't allow double-edged knives (which most of these are). And some places specifically prohibit push-daggers (so you'd be screwed anyway
).
So what do we have, 2 pro's and 2 Con's? I guess my overall take on the push dagger is that they're a very effective and formidable weapon. If you are legally able to carry one it would make a good addition to your loadout. However, due to it's lack of versatility, I would carry it in addition to another knife.
Pro's:
-very intuitive...just punch. To me, this makes them ideally suited for weapon-retention situations because you can use them very effectively with your "off hand." Many people, myself included unfortunately, don't practice their knife work as much with their off hand. This knife eliminates that concern. Just draw and start throwing jabs.
-it's very efficient; lots of damage with minimal exertion
Con's:
-they're very task specific. The same qualities that make them very easy to use, also limit your options when using them. In other words, they're no good for anything other than punching at someone.
-they're not legal in many places. Many places don't allow fixed blades (which these are). If they do allow fixed blades, many places don't allow double-edged knives (which most of these are). And some places specifically prohibit push-daggers (so you'd be screwed anyway
).So what do we have, 2 pro's and 2 Con's? I guess my overall take on the push dagger is that they're a very effective and formidable weapon. If you are legally able to carry one it would make a good addition to your loadout. However, due to it's lack of versatility, I would carry it in addition to another knife.
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From a tactical perspective it is hard to beat having a push dagger as your bladed weapon of choice. They are excellent for slashing, cutting, thrusting and of course they have incredible penetration power. They are also very, very hard to disarm and that makes them an ideal tool for use in a violent encounter.
From a legal perspective you are going to be crucified if you ever have to use one except in a very dire home defense situation. Unfortunately they have a bad reputation as a weapon of thugs, low lifes, gamblers and crimnals. They are also illegal almost everywhere.
Bottom line : I love them. Train almost daily with some of mine and consider them a very effective home defensive tool. However, I would hate to use one of them and have the lawyer's eat me alive. (but to save my life or my family there would be no question about using one of them)
I have a list of where I place them mentally in order of use if someone were to invade my house and the push dagger is only after shotgun, handgun on that list.
From a legal perspective you are going to be crucified if you ever have to use one except in a very dire home defense situation. Unfortunately they have a bad reputation as a weapon of thugs, low lifes, gamblers and crimnals. They are also illegal almost everywhere.
Bottom line : I love them. Train almost daily with some of mine and consider them a very effective home defensive tool. However, I would hate to use one of them and have the lawyer's eat me alive. (but to save my life or my family there would be no question about using one of them)
I have a list of where I place them mentally in order of use if someone were to invade my house and the push dagger is only after shotgun, handgun on that list.
Hey KenpoTex, I have one of those in my collection as well. Very effective and very well made. You also have a good choice in watch as I have the same one as well.
KenpoTex
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Same for me, in Missouri with a CCW you can carry any knife except for a switchblade or a balisong.
Brian R. VanCise said:
the last I heard push daggers where a felony to carry in most areas of the USA ( they are considered a concealed weapon) I could be wrong
Personaly i like them
Personaly i like them
Remember the belt buckle that conceals a push dagger? Looked like a good idea to me! But the issue of legalities is real. Make sure you know the law in your state if you choose to do this.
I like the retention aspects of this weapon...but, it's never really felt comfortable in my hand, to be frank.
I like the retention aspects of this weapon...but, it's never really felt comfortable in my hand, to be frank.
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Don't even need a CCW here to carry one.Same for me, in Missouri with a CCW you can carry any knife except for a switchblade or a balisong.
Well, here it's just a carry permit, the concealed is optional.
Jeff
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Nice. In MO, without a permit, you're restricted to a folder no more than 4" if it's concealed (you can "open carry" larger knives or fixed blades).
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Here in Indiana, there are not state laws restricting blade length or type.
The exceptions are automatic knives (assisted opening doesn't count) and it can't "shoot" the blade.
A few municipalities do have restrictions though, but most don't.
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thanks
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Since we're talking about push-daggers, I just ran across this one it's pretty sweet (unfortunately it's also pretty pricey). It's made by Wilson Tactical and uses compact (officer's model) 1911 grip panels for handle scales. Somehow the idea of having the ability to have matching grips on your pistol and your knife is cool.
http://www.wilsontactical.com/1_mainframe.htm?about.shtml~main
http://www.wilsontactical.com/1_mainframe.htm?about.shtml~main
That is nice albeit pricey. There other one is nice as well but pricey also.
I do like the colt Steel with the Kraton grip. There is no movement in the hand when thrusting through something. (In my experience) I have had movement with other models.
I do like the colt Steel with the Kraton grip. There is no movement in the hand when thrusting through something. (In my experience) I have had movement with other models.
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Nice looking knife, but overpriced, and I don't think I care for the angle of the grip. I know they are trying to make it more 1911, but I don't think that grip angle would work for me for a push dagger.
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Yeah, the angle caught my eye too. I'd have to feel it in my hand to know though.
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The cold-steel's are probably the best value for a carry knife and the kraton handle feels like it's fused to your hand.
I actually kinda like the grip angle on this one. I haven't handled one of these but I've handled others that share this design. The blade protrudes between your first and middle finger instead of between your middle and ring-finger. To me this makes it a little more "accurate" since most any of us with a karate/MA background are used to punching with the first two knuckles instead of with the middle two. It really comes down to personal preference.
Since I've been tossing out push-dagger porn, here's another one that's nice (but also expensive)
http://www.mercworx.com/detail.aspx?ID=28
I actually kinda like the grip angle on this one. I haven't handled one of these but I've handled others that share this design. The blade protrudes between your first and middle finger instead of between your middle and ring-finger. To me this makes it a little more "accurate" since most any of us with a karate/MA background are used to punching with the first two knuckles instead of with the middle two. It really comes down to personal preference.
Since I've been tossing out push-dagger porn, here's another one that's nice (but also expensive)
http://www.mercworx.com/detail.aspx?ID=28
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Hi y'all! Here is an interesting one I came across. Its not a pure push dagger, but rather a "convertible".
The blade's position can be changed when depressing the lock on the back of the frame. I'ts not a quality make and not a beauty, especially in terms of blade polish, but the sharp blade keeps its position and the nature of the frame assures a good grip.
Two points to note: 1. In "push dagger mode", the blade points upwards, which will probalby have a noticable effect on the dagger's piercing quality.
2: I wouldn't want to switch blade position in the midst of combat...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80382083@N00/262174084/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80382083@N00/262174086/
The blade's position can be changed when depressing the lock on the back of the frame. I'ts not a quality make and not a beauty, especially in terms of blade polish, but the sharp blade keeps its position and the nature of the frame assures a good grip.
Two points to note: 1. In "push dagger mode", the blade points upwards, which will probalby have a noticable effect on the dagger's piercing quality.
2: I wouldn't want to switch blade position in the midst of combat...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80382083@N00/262174084/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80382083@N00/262174086/
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