Mantis Kung Fu VS. MMA | REAL SPARRING [螳螂拳 黃漢勛]

[windwalker099]

An interesting video highlights Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu used in a free-form sparring match,
with overlays of traditional movements to make clear what techniques are being used.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Looks like he did a fine job. However I'd term it as Praying Mantis Kung Fu used in MMA rather than as Mantis Kung Fu vs. MMA. The format of the competition is MMA, but we don't know what the training background of the other fighter is. Street Beefs is a relatively low-level amateur event which features fighters from a wide variety of martial arts dipping their feet into competition.

 

[windwalker099]

Not a critique just something noted: It seemed like he was using isolated movements instead of flurries, as would be used in typical mantis applications...

As such it seems like some of the mantis flavor is lost.

In other words, if it wasn’t associated with mantis movements
would one be able to tell what style or any style was being used ?

 

[windwalker099]

Eight Step Mantis (八步螳螂拳, Bābù Tángláng Quán)

 

[windwalker099]

Demoing "whole body" power, similar in concept to its use in Taiji, talks about being able to "fān sōng" (翻松). In English, this term can be translated to "relax," but does not quite capture the full meaning.

(翻, fān) means to turn, flip, or change direction, while (松, sōng) means to maintain a loose state. This combination allows for rapid and quick movement.

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Mantis has something similar to taiji's. pushing hand although it develops a different type of energy...it does train "stickiness" and change

 

[windwalker099]

Plum Blossom Mantis (梅花螳螂拳, Méihuā Tángláng Quán) i

Taught in Korea....note the different flavor

 

[JowGaWolf]

Looks like he did a fine job. However I'd term it as Praying Mantis Kung Fu used in MMA rather than as Mantis Kung Fu vs. MMA. The format of the competition is MMA, but we don't know what the training background of the other fighter is. Street Beefs is a relatively low-level amateur event which features fighters from a wide variety of martial arts dipping their feet into competition.

I would have left the MMA out of the title. I know that he's trying to get clicks and views But I think there's a better way to get more views by focusing on TMA and the practical use of the system he's talking about. He tried to force the Trap+Backfist and it ended up looking a little like a long fist swing. He could have used his lead hand to trap and his rear hand to deliver the back hand or the low punch, trap + backfist. The trap is an offensive and defensive move in one. If a punch comes out then it's trapped, but if it can be used to go after the guard. The punch in the form isn't to the stomach so I think it's aimed at the chest level slightly below the wrist and on the forearms. The "Plan" would be to have your opponent cover up.

By default the trap is going after that horizontal arm. If the lead punch comes the the trap will be in motion to move it. The trap is one of those things that should be done regardless, because at the worst it will fill the punching lanes an hide the backfist. If the punch is too low then the body mechanics have no other choice but to do a "big elephant swing." to deliver the backfist.

I also think that the extended arm is not an "extended stayback" arm but a palmstrike that my or may not come back. He leaves is arm extended to deal with an over hand punch coming in. I don't think that is what it's used for. I use a similar technique and it is either filling the punching lane to hide an incoming strike, Or Im trying to daze someone before sending another strike. That palm strike is a forward moving strike

It's been my experinece that more Kung Fu works from an offensive perspective than a defensivie one where you are waiting for an incoming strike. But other than that I'm glad he tried to use it.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Here’s the whole fight, rather than just the edited highlights.

 

[windwalker099]

It's been my experinece that more Kung Fu works from an offensive perspective than a defensivie one where you are waiting for an incoming strike. But other than that I'm glad he tried to use it.

Good summation...

Felt the attempt was pretty good, although he left some of the n-mantis tenets out of the usage.
"Controlling upper and lower gates"

lower gates normally done with a

"Gou Lou Cai" (钩搂踩) hooking, scooping, gathering stepping action done to unbalance or control...

Seven Star Praying Mantis (七星螳螂拳, Qī Xīng Táng Láng Quán)

 

[JowGaWolf]

Plum Blossom Mantis (梅花螳螂拳, Méihuā Tángláng Quán) i

Taught in Korea....note the different flavor

this is what I was touching on. A lot of kung fu works from the perspective of taking the offense than sitting in defense. In this video I can see attacking energy here. I think the majority of my sparring videos shows more kung fu when I'm the one on the offense. I don't remember me doing any "Advanced Blocking and Counter" unless it was included in the offensive technique.

 

[windwalker099]

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Here’s the whole fight, rather than just the edited highlights.

The three mantis styles posted, are training clips, showcasing typical techniques used by mantis stylists. They demonstrate standard training methods and foundational techniques, they also reveal areas where the practitioner's application in a full fight scenario might fall short.

Footwork and Closing Skills: would be the main points, he might want to work on...
Mantis uses whats called "monkey step" and "crushing step" among others, both good in covering distance, and agility..

 

[windwalker099]

this is what I was touching on. A lot of kung fu works from the perspective of taking the offense than sitting in defense. In this video I can see attacking energy here. I think the majority of my sparring videos shows more kung fu when I'm the one on the offense. I don't remember me doing any "Advanced Blocking and Counter" unless it was included in the offensive technique.

Plum Blossom Mantis (梅花螳螂拳, Méihuā Tángláng Quán)
video

Illustrative of how we trained in Korea, although not my teachers work, or any of our group...
Closing the gap, was very important. They were really, really fast in doing this..

 

[JowGaWolf]

The three mantis styles posted, are training clips, showcasing typical techniques used by mantis stylists. They demonstrate standard training methods and foundational techniques, they also reveal areas where the practitioner's application in a full fight scenario might fall short.

Footwork and Closing Skills: would be the main points, he might want to work on...
Mantis uses whats called "monkey step" and "crushing step" among others, both good in coving distances, and agility..

I also noticed he allowed his clearing hand structure to collapse. Had he maintained the structure it would have had a good chance to block or redirect that overhead right that hit him in the neck. He also made one of the first made with that big swing and that is to step off centerline.

But not bad for someone who was out of shape and was going to try kung fu. I also couldn't tell if he was trying to hit his hardest. There didn't seem to be any body connection for the power of his strikes.

 

[Buka]

Two big guys fighting under the hot sun and in the dirt. Gotta give them both credit for that alone.