Is this a Bussey desrivative art?

[Brian R. VanCise]

When I saw this while perusing self defense videos it sure looked
to me that this was a former Rober Bussey student.

 

[Bujingodai]

It certainly looks like that influence, just add Roberts grizzly growls and it would be identical.
One dimensional but it looked effective.

 

[terryl965]

I believe so.

 

[rexthunder]

I have 4 or 5 of Bussey's old panther videos and, I'm no expert, but this looks pretty similar.

 

[Obliquity]

Having spent a brief amount of time in RBWI years ago, and still watching a few of his videos from time-to-time, that appears to be very much in the style of Mr. Bussey, including some of the idiosyncratic behaviors. In fact, some of it is exactly as I remember doing / seeing it.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Yes I thougtht it looked like Bussey's signature was written on it. I did google it but only came up with the video and nothing else!

 

[lalom]

Very Bussey-ish... With the speed punching and everything! Looks cool though.

 

[donald]

First let me say that the defender moved rather well. Secondly, what happened to Mr.Bussey? Is he still involved in the martial arts?

1stJohn1:9

 

[Obliquity]

Word is that Mr. Bussey has recently moved to the Dallas area. His web site is --> www.robertbussey.com.

 

[mystic warrior]

Sorry to be off the topic some what.
But isn't Mr. Bussey stuff just bujinkan but alittle more in your face. I am sorry if I come of dumb. I am just trying to understand the bujinkan stuff.

 

[Fallen Ninja]

Looks like Robert Bussey/Rick Tew stuff.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Sorry to be off the topic some what.
But isn't Mr. Bussey stuff just bujinkan but alittle more in your face. I am sorry if I come of dumb. I am just trying to understand the bujinkan stuff.

With a mixture of Hapkido and some other things. Plus while he was an early American Budo Taijutsu practitioner those day's were a little different in teaching methods than what was taught in Japan or what is taught around the world now.

 

[Cruentus]

With a mixture of Hapkido and some other things. Plus while he was an early American Budo Taijutsu practitioner those day's were a little different in teaching methods than what was taught in Japan or what is taught around the world now.

I'm not so sure about him (just haven't seen much of what he does) but his website is nice.

I remember that he was popular for Ninjutsu back in the day; how far along did he go with the Bujinkan? I'm just wondering whats in his actual resume'.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

I'm not so sure about him (just haven't seen much of what he does) but his website is nice.

I remember that he was popular for Ninjutsu back in the day; how far along did he go with the Bujinkan? I'm just wondering whats in his actual resume'.

Hey Paul,

He trained pretty early on in the Bujinkan and I believe achieved the rank of 2nd or 4th Dan. (I have heard both) He had a Hapkido background before training in Budo Taijutsu. Having said that his movement is very different than what is taught in Japan.

Hope that helps.

 

[Obliquity]

Sorry to be off the topic some what.
But isn't Mr. Bussey stuff just bujinkan but alittle more in your face. I am sorry if I come of dumb. I am just trying to understand the bujinkan stuff.

I was fortunate enough to have trained in Mr. Bussey's style for a short while, so I will try to interject what I think I know, but please understand that I am not claiming to speak for Mr. Bussey. Having met him on a few occassions, I know he is far more able to articulate his philosophy and practices than I, but, I will help as I can.

Like a lot of martial artists who adapted their learning for street fighting, Mr. Bussey's approach was adapted for personal defense in real-life situations as opposed to propogating "the art." This was part of the rub between he and the bujinkan. Mr. Bussey felt that some of what he would be expected to teach, were he to stay with tradition, was not applicable in situations he thought most likely. Sort-of like, "what can I teach students right now that will work if they are mugged in the parking lot leaving class tonight?" In a way, it was "in your face" because the idea was to save yourself right now, whether that meant being aggressive and violent or aggressively running away.

Another major issue was Mr. Bussey's spirituality. As a Christian, Mr. Bussey was not comfortable with, or outright opposed to, some of the teachings to which he had been exposed. Since I am new to learning about traditional Ninjutsu, I can't speak to what those teaching might be, but I know it was an issue with him, which he clearly states in some of his writings.

Regardless of where he stands in the minds of practitioners -- and I know he is disliked or outright rejected and discredited by some --he is a tremendously talented martial artist and a heck of a nice guy. Having attended a few seminars years ago, I can say that it was a treat to watch him move. Very fluid.

As an aside, I just read an article about him in American Karate Magazine dated May, 1987 where the author states, "To attack Robert Bussey when he has a sword in his hand would be like throwing yourself into a Cuisinart -- you wouldn't stand a chance. There is something slightly frightening about being around a length of steel that is spinning and twirling too fast for your eye to even see! (Once, while viewing a videotape of Bussey's sword technique, it was necessary to put the player on slow motion to view the actual path pf the blade.)"

 

[Grey Eyed Bandit]

Another major issue was Mr. Bussey's spirituality. As a Christian, Mr. Bussey was not comfortable with, or outright opposed to, some of the teachings to which he had been exposed.

He clearly has no qualms about the usage of violence anyway...

Having attended a few seminars years ago, I can say that it was a treat to watch him move. Very fluid.

If you think was Bussey does is fluid, you seriously have no idea as to what the Bujinkan has to offer in that regard.

 

[Obliquity]

He clearly has no qualms about the usage of violence anyway...

Use of violence is a topic of discussion among some Christians. I don't believe that the use of violence in the context of protecting one's self or someone else's self was/is a problem for Mr. Bussey.

As for me, I believe that, with few exceptions, defense of self or others is a matter of good stewardship. Keeping the principles of stewardship in mind, I had no problem serving in the military for a time.

If you think was Bussey does is fluid, you seriously have no idea as to what the Bujinkan has to offer in that regard.

You are quite right in that I have no idea what the Bujinkan has to offer -- in many regards. As stated in my post above, I am very new to Traditional Ninjutsu. I am hoping to get some first-hand exposure by visiting a dojo as soon as I am able.

 

[Grey Eyed Bandit]

I guess people see what they want to see.

 

[MJS]

Hey Paul,

He trained pretty early on in the Bujinkan and I believe achieved the rank of 2nd or 4th Dan. (I have heard both) He had a Hapkido background before training in Budo Taijutsu. Having said that his movement is very different than what is taught in Japan.

Hope that helps.

Brian,

Would you be so kind as to expand on what some of the major differences are? While I have seen BBT clips and the clips on Roberts site, it may be easier to read what the differences are, rather than trying to pick them out of the clip.

Thanks

Mike

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Brian,

Would you be so kind as to expand on what some of the major differences are? While I have seen BBT clips and the clips on Roberts site, it may be easier to read what the differences are, rather than trying to pick them out of the clip.

Thanks

Mike

Well there are alot of differances. First off knowledge of the various ryu-ha is the biggest deal. Proper kata's and henka off of them. Bussey studied only for a short while before adding things that we not Bujinkan related. Besides knowledge of the ryu and there kata's the other distinguishing features of Mr. Bussey's style is high kicks, acrobatic moves and flash. Mind you many people in the Bujinkan are not Bussey fan's. However he was around pretty early on and blended his hapkido training with Budo Taijutsu and then marketed it during the Ninja boom. Personally if he inspired anyone to find legitimate training under Hatsumi then more power to him.