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It doesn't even list that Siu Nim Tao and Siu Lein Tao are different things - it very incorrectly thinks its a romanization issue.
If it can't even get the name of the first form right, the rest is likely bollocks as well.
Is this like the other wikipedia thing where any Tom , Dick and Harry can get on there and write something?
Look you don't have to go to questionable web sites seeking Wing Chun knowledge , you can consult with either me , Geezer , Yak Sao , Eric H , Zepedawingchun , Vajramusti , wtxs , cwk , hunt1 , bully , domino , jake104 , professormental , naneek , izeqb et al.
My apologies to any esteemed members of the Wing Chun / Wing Tsun think tank who's names I have missed.
As a collective font of reliable and accurate Wing Chun knowledge any of the above people can help you with any queries you may have-
because we are just so friggin awesome.
PS. If we don't know the answer , we should be able to make something up which sounds just as plausible , nobody will know the difference , really they won't.
As for Sui lim Tau or Sui Nim Tau every family but 1 it seems will know you are referring to the first form of wing chun. Knowing or caring about every groups own idiosyncrasies is outside the scope of any general overview on wing chun development and family comparison.
I've seen Siu Lein Tao referenced in a couple places - Cho Ga WCK, Hung Fa Yi WCK, and some non-WCK arts too.
Basically it means Little Drilling in the beginning, for HFY folks it's the companion to Siu Nim Tao. Probably the easiest way to explain it is that Siu Nim Tao is drilling the hardware, the angles, the idea of the concept. Siu Lein Tao is drilling the software, usually with a partner, working on the application of the concept and the strategy. In our Oral history, most of the practitioners under the WC Sifu would only be taught Siu Lein Tao and not Siu Nim Tao style training.
One example of it that we have in HFY is Saap Ming Dim Siu Lein Tao (10 bright point Little beginning drilling) which is a drilling set to get someone expressing their reference points in motion - it's a set of training that falls between learning SNT and Chum Kiu.
Edit:
My first teacher wrote an article on it a very long time ago, if anyone cares to read:
http://redflowerboxing.com/?p=51
@hunt1,
So the fact that they're different characters and have different meaning doesn't matter to you?
No not really. Most of these differences tend to be marketing and superficial. For several reasons folks use different terms for the same thing. As a practical matter we all have 2 arms 2 legs. We all have the same limitations and possible actions. We all deal with the same combat ranges and problems. Therefore no matter how things are named or divided or approached in the end we all have the same exact set of options and answers.
As an example Leung Ting's organization has Lat Sau. As an organized way of teaching a specific set of skills to a wide ranging group of students it is very good. However the skills taught in lat sau are taught in other wing chun families. So the difference is one of organization and marketing not one of substantive difference.
Other groups may have differences based on time spent on something but this doesn't mean the skills are any different. For example some groups may spend far more time than others training how to bridge the gap from no contact. All groups of these methods just some may train them better. This training difference may be marketed but it doesn't mean unique skills not taught be other wing chun families exist.
The true differences that exist are based on how the usage of the body is developed and trained. The difference in body structure is the only true substantive difference between wing chun families from my experience.
@hunt1,
The true differences that exist are based on how the usage of the body is developed and trained. The difference in body structure is the only true substantive difference between wing chun families from my experience.
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Good point Hunt 1.
Much truth to that. The problem is that differences in structure are not always obvious to inexperienced eyes.
Differences in the details of structures often results in considerable differences in other aspects of motion.
joy chaudhuri
Thanks Joy and you are right. If people looked at the 2 extremes of Yip Man students Leung Ting and William Cheung they would see that the 2 systems are so different because they are built upon very different body structures.
Thanks for the mention, seriously nearly spat my drink out !PS. If we don't know the answer, we should be able to make something up which sounds just as plausible, nobody will know the difference, really they won't.