He can't help it, he was born that way.
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Empty Hands
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I do find it odd that you can slit the throat of an animal and eat it, force it to work for you on your farm on a daily basis, or perform medical experiments on it and everything is copacetic. Have sex with it though, and suddenly you've committed a heinous crime...
Not very rational, but understandable given the sense of human disgust. Maybe someday though we can stop legislating based on our feelings.
Not very rational, but understandable given the sense of human disgust. Maybe someday though we can stop legislating based on our feelings.
Fiendlover
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that..........................is gross. :vu::jaw-dropping::barf::whip::xtrmshock
:eye-popping::anic::erg:
:eye-popping::anic::erg:
LuzRD
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he was born having sex with a dog? ok sorry, serious time i guess.
while it is rather stomach turning to think about (thanks Big Don lol) i think it should be treated as any other mental illness. (yes i know that means i shouldnt make jokes, but i really want to)
what besides therapy does everyone think should be done? hes already been caught twice. i would think its the last straw before he should be locked up in a coffee house for a while.
and on a personal note
while it is rather stomach turning to think about (thanks Big Don lol) i think it should be treated as any other mental illness. (yes i know that means i shouldnt make jokes, but i really want to)
what besides therapy does everyone think should be done? hes already been caught twice. i would think its the last straw before he should be locked up in a coffee house for a while.
and on a personal note
sounds about rightthat..........................is gross. :vu::jaw-dropping::barf::whip::xtrmshock
It is gross, it is disgusting because it is two entirely different species of mammals we're talking about here. Also to the human psyche it's been ingrained as disgusting because way back when in the times of Moses and even before Abraham it was considered a mortal sin. Orthodox Jewish law dictates that both the human and animal must be put to death IMMEDIATELY. So when you have centuries of that dogma being spread around and not just on the Judaism and Christian faiths but even Muslims find this as a crime punishable by death. I'm sure that even eastern faiths have laws and dogma condemning this act and probably make it punishable by death as well. Why? Because it's wrong.
On a psychological level, yes, there is something very wrong with that guy's wiring (and any one else who consents to sexual acts with animals), or cranial chemical make up. Humans are the only animals on the planet who actually and actively try to copulate with other species (Capitan Kirk not-with-standing). Pictures of cross species mating are actually simulating & not really trying to "mate".
To say that "he was born that way" is a huge misstatement. If this were true then it would be acceptable to us deep in our own psyches the same way that same gender sex is acceptable, though not always condoned.
My guess is that he was taught in some way or another to do this act. Read about it, heard about it, saw it on one of those weird porno sites on the net or what/where/however! Just nobody is going to come forward saying "yeah, I told him about it." Or some other reason that he made this choice, but BORN? No, absolutely not.
On a psychological level, yes, there is something very wrong with that guy's wiring (and any one else who consents to sexual acts with animals), or cranial chemical make up. Humans are the only animals on the planet who actually and actively try to copulate with other species (Capitan Kirk not-with-standing). Pictures of cross species mating are actually simulating & not really trying to "mate".
To say that "he was born that way" is a huge misstatement. If this were true then it would be acceptable to us deep in our own psyches the same way that same gender sex is acceptable, though not always condoned.
My guess is that he was taught in some way or another to do this act. Read about it, heard about it, saw it on one of those weird porno sites on the net or what/where/however! Just nobody is going to come forward saying "yeah, I told him about it." Or some other reason that he made this choice, but BORN? No, absolutely not.
shudokan-RN
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I am soooo glad I am NOT in Kansas any more
Poor TOTO
marci
Poor TOTO
marci
Wow. That is about all I can muster at this pint...or is it point...
punisher73
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We had a couple of different people convicted of this in the county where I work.
The first one's name (yes, he was tried and convicted not just accused) was Tommy Tucker. Because of his crime and conviction he earned the nickname that went with him to prison, "tommy tucker the dog ****er" well you can figure out the rest. He was also convicted in a different trial of CSC 1st degree.
The second one, was actually on Bob and Tom and other comedy shows. Jeffrey Haynes was accused (and later convicted) of getting caught with a sheep. When in trial he actually said "I'm not a pervert, it's not like I was doing things with kids".
I also remember awhile back, there was someone who was "catching" for a horse at some big ranch out west. The man died from internal injuries sustained during the act. They put up some stat that certain states didn't have bestiality laws on the books. They charged it under "animal cruelty" if you were the one doing the act on an animal, but that wouldn't cover the animal doing the act. That kind of shocked me, I thought it was a law everywhere.
The first one's name (yes, he was tried and convicted not just accused) was Tommy Tucker. Because of his crime and conviction he earned the nickname that went with him to prison, "tommy tucker the dog ****er" well you can figure out the rest. He was also convicted in a different trial of CSC 1st degree.
The second one, was actually on Bob and Tom and other comedy shows. Jeffrey Haynes was accused (and later convicted) of getting caught with a sheep. When in trial he actually said "I'm not a pervert, it's not like I was doing things with kids".
I also remember awhile back, there was someone who was "catching" for a horse at some big ranch out west. The man died from internal injuries sustained during the act. They put up some stat that certain states didn't have bestiality laws on the books. They charged it under "animal cruelty" if you were the one doing the act on an animal, but that wouldn't cover the animal doing the act. That kind of shocked me, I thought it was a law everywhere.
It's sheep round our way too. I don't think anyone has ever been convicted though. Lots of jokes about it which I'd probably better not post....well alright just one, Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? Coz the sheep got used to the sound of zippers......
Apart from peadophiles I don't think we get awfully shocked really by anything to do with sex.
Apart from peadophiles I don't think we get awfully shocked really by anything to do with sex.
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First thing that made me laugh all day, thanks.
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I used to work at a mini mart, one of the regular customers was an assistant DA.
One day he came in looking frustrated, so, I asked what was wrong, and he explained the guy who was arrested the week before for screwing his neighbor's Newfoundland refused to plea bargain so they went to trial and he was going to prison for 2½ YEARS. Behind him in line was a stereotypical looking gang banger, Bandana low to the shades, etc, he laughed and said. "They'll make him bark."
One day he came in looking frustrated, so, I asked what was wrong, and he explained the guy who was arrested the week before for screwing his neighbor's Newfoundland refused to plea bargain so they went to trial and he was going to prison for 2½ YEARS. Behind him in line was a stereotypical looking gang banger, Bandana low to the shades, etc, he laughed and said. "They'll make him bark."
Well it's like: "Did you know that they've found a second use for sheep in Wyoming? It's called... wool!"
CoryKS
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This guy really screwed the pooch. Setting aside the whole ickiness of the matter, what kind of idiot breaks into a room with a frickin' rottweiler in it? He must have brought some good treats just to keep her from gnawing on his intestines.
Setting aside the whole ickiness of the matter, what kind of idiot breaks into a room with a frickin' rottweiler in it? He must have brought some good treats just to keep her from gnawing on his intestines.
Empty Hands
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That's a tautology. Why is it wrong? Certainly not because it is "unnatural" as you seem to imply (although not true, cross-species matings do happen. Ever heard of a liger?). Plenty of things are unnatural that are not wrong, including antibiotics, nylon and space travel.
I don't see how that follows. Lots of people condemn same gender sex in the strongest possible terms, even using some of the same senses of disgust and "unnaturalness" to argue against it. How do you know that "deep down" they are really OK with it? If they are willing to beat a gay man to death for being gay, seems they are not OK with it.
Oh, and for the inevitable chuckleheads: I am not into animal sex, nor do I approve of it. I would just like there to be some rationality behind the arguments more compelling than "ick!".
thardey
Master Black Belt
Never underestimate the power if "ick"!
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Luckily, in cases of sexual assault and involving sexual predators
"He can't help it, he was born that way"
Is not a justifiable defense
But to the original post, I'm sorry but based on the other responses I do not think I am going to open the link and look. I had enough of this sort of thing one night working in a Hospital ER restraining a guy that just HAD to share his exploits with the canine variety.
And ick is NOT a strong enough word to describe it.
"He can't help it, he was born that way"
Is not a justifiable defense
But to the original post, I'm sorry but based on the other responses I do not think I am going to open the link and look. I had enough of this sort of thing one night working in a Hospital ER restraining a guy that just HAD to share his exploits with the canine variety.
And ick is NOT a strong enough word to describe it.
A lion and a tiger are basically the same species just different types of the same species... cats! Felines.
Basically you're not going to see a zebra and a waterbuffalo mixing it up anytime soon, though they're similar they're different species; equine and bovine. That is what I'm talking about. One could argue that someone from Asia or Africa or an even an Australian Aborigine is a different species from a European/American Caucasian but they're both STILL human! You've heard of cockapoos haven't you? The cross between a cocker-spaniel and a poodle? But I'll be damned surprised if you show me a Persian-shepard; a cross between a persian cat and a german shepard. It doesn't happen. Why because genetically it won't happen... naturally without outside laboratory assistance. So c'mon, please, it's not tautology okay? It's a biological fact.
That is a surface psychology that causes people to react in a certain manner towards a particular act. Some people are fine with two men/women having sex and others choose to be violently opposed to it, still others choose to keep their opinions to themselves. But their opinions do not weigh in the fact that because the two men/women are human into their equation. They're only looking at the similarity of their sexes.
Here we have (violent) reactions ranging from "gross!" to "ick" to :barf: because deep down inside they (we) know it's not a natural thing to do. So yeah, we're going to be expressing irrationally at this particular bit of information/story because it's irrational. Humans can mate with different types of humans, dogs can mate with different types of dogs, cats with different cats, whales with different whales and so on and so on. I think you're intelligent to know what I (and everyone else meant) when saying SPECIES.
. Well naturally there will be more compelling arguments beyond the initial "icks" "eww's" "grosss!" ... some folks need more time to get over the shocking (mental) image than others.
It also has to do with motive and ability....Humans are the only animals that really have a MOTIVE to have sex with anything that moves. We do it for enjoyment. Most of the animal kingdon does it for reproduction (as far as we know). We also have the ABILITY to pull it off. A zebra and a waterbufflo aren't going to get it on because things just aren't in the right place....and I really dont' think that they get along. Humans are pretty creative, we'll find a way to make it work.
Thank you. My point... it's psychological.
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