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Kali Tudo 2
By Crutch - 02-03-2009 10:23 PM
Originally Posted at: Deluxe Forums
====================
Posted at Guro Dennys direction.
Dog Brothers Kali Tudo T: The Running Dog Game---
Kali Silat vs. The Guard
By Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
In 1998 there was a big internet brouhaha about "Where's the trapping?" I
always felt the question a fair one. As I wrote at the time:
"Lets us begin by avoiding overstating things. We need to remember that in
the current environment that a lot of this stuff continues to work. When I
was in Brazil in June 1992 I showed Renzo Gracie the video from Paul Vunak:
"Headbutt, Elbow, Knees". I have the ringside video of Renzo's next vale
tudo fight in which he drills some guy he gets in the corner with this
precisely this structure.
"It is also important to remember that MANY situations that one might be in
are quite different from the cage. How many people would want to have to
close on concrete against a guy with good fast savate feet in cowboy boots?
Yeah, it can be done, but some of you are going to get seriously zipped in
the bladder. A straight blast might get you through a barroom ruckus to the
door better than a single leg takedown/side control/arm bar. Many bouncers
and others with lots of experience swear by trapping. So in my opinion we
should not get carried away with the "Where-is-the-trapping?" stuff.
"Still, there is a legitimate question in all this. Little of what we see
today is the way it is taught in many Jun Fan/Wing Chun or Kali/FMA classes
and , , , it is important to honestly raise this question."
END QUOTE
I also felt that the question had an answer-that the material was valid.
Allow me to begin my answer with an analogy: In engineering, different types
of strength are distinguished: compressive, tensile, shear, fatigue, etc.
(I hope that any engineering people amongst our readers will be kind with
any technical corrections of what follows.) My understanding is that
compressive strength is the ability to bear weight. For example, you can put
a lot of weight on concrete and it won't crumble. Tensile strength is the
ability to withstand a pull. Think of the metal cables of a suspension
bridge. Why aren't they made of concrete? The answer is that concrete has
lousy tensile strength and easily snaps when tested in this way.
Against the fighting structures used in the 60s and early 70s JF/WC trapping
structures worked. As Muay Thai came in this was less so. And as BJJ came in
it seemed even less so. It is as if the BJJ question tested the tensile
strength of concrete. Concrete is strong, but not in that way. The
challenge, as I see it, is the equivalent of learning to put "rebar" (those
metal rods that are laid out and tied together in a gridlike pattern) in
concrete; something is need to provide tensile strength.
Before continuing, I'd like to clarify the terminology a bit. To my present
way of thinking, "trapping" is simply a subset of Kali Silat striking and so
for me the deeper question is where is the Kali Silat striking? We have
heard the assertion of Kali and the other FMA that the motions of the empty
hand are like the motions of the weapons-and again the infuriating question
comes, "OK then, why is it not seen in the Cage?"
In my humble opinion, the answer is this. Although there are many people
skilled in the drills and skills of the FMA (which are sometimes mocked as
"tippy tap martial arts and crafts") the key point is that most of them have
never used these skills in the adrenal state. The only skills most people
have used in the adrenal state are based upon boxing and Americanized Muay
Thai tested in increasingly vigorous sparring that eventually becomes combat
sport. Thus, it simply is no surprise that when they find themselves in a
fight they use these skills and do not turn to their Kali Silat skill sets!
In short, what we do, what we experience in the adrenal state is the deepest
learning of all and as such it has a very strong tendency to supersede
skills trained without adrenaline.
This also answers the question why I at fifty six years of age and counting
I dare to seek to be someone who leads the way in establishing the validity
of the Kali Silat idiom of fighting in the Cage. Of course the obvious
logic is to leave it to some young lion to prove the theory with his deeds
as Royce Gracie shocked the larger martial arts world with the advent of the
UFC-I know that! The reason that in my humble opinion I remain relevant is
that I HAVE hit people with sticks and these movements to me represent
success in the adrenal state and I rely upon them in my own sparring.
Combined with my many years of training under Guro Dan Inosanto (including
as a private student) and other of the finest FMA, BJJ, and MMA teachers in
the world, I believe this enables me to convey the necessary understandings
to those who will actually step into the Cage.
Naturally the question arises whether any of our Kali Tudo T is relevant to
those without extensive FMA type weaponry training and the answer is yes,
but I must be candid. The mission statement of Dog Brothers Martial Arts is
"To Walk as a Warrior for all your days"-and this means a lifelong path for
the dangers of the real world, not just those of young male ritual
hierarchical combat. This means we seek a system that uses the same
underlying idioms of movement, regardless whether there are weapons and
regardless of the numbers involved. This is precisely the point why Dog
Brothers Martial Arts develops the subsystem of Kali Tudo T so we can use
the same idiom of movement both with weapons AND empty hand AND to test our
way of fighting empty hand in the adrenal state without concerns or
pretensions that what we do is "too deadly for the cage". In short, the
highest levels of Kali Tudo are achieved by including weaponry training.
There is no avoiding building the foundation. Those of you who put up the
walls before thinking about putting in the wiring, when the sun of youth
goes down you may find yourself in the dark. Conversely, those of you who
put in the wiring without building sturdy walls and a watertight roof will
may find yourself wet from a rain of blows , , ,
So how did "the Running Dog Game", which is the subject of Kali Tudo T 2
come about and why is it the subject of the second DVD on this subsystem of
ours?
In the aftermath of the aforementioned internet brouhaha of 1998, I began
searching for my answers to the question presented. About two years later I
had my first answer in something I called "The Running Dog Game".
The RDG had its genesis in an unusual guard pass I learned from Renato
Magno, BB in Machado BJJ, Pan Am BB Champion, and much more. In essence,
it involves passing the guard, and perhaps snatching a foot lock, while
running over the guard players head. Given my penchant for odd humor, I
nicknamed the technique "the Running Dog" which in leftist-Marxist lexicon
was a perceived calumny heaped upon the less powerful who benefited by
aligning themselves with the capitalist class. It seemed humorous to me to
embrace the insult of both my right wing "free minds and free markets"
perspective and my doggy nature.
As I explored in the horizontal world of the ground how to best set up the
Running Dog, I began to recognize reference points originally installed in
my previously vertical Kali Silat (and Jun Fan Gung Fu) training. Very
interesting! There were lots of successes, but also lots of getting
arm-barred and lots of getting backswept. With further exploration, I
developed "the Running Dog Posture" and developed a special exercise (which
is shown in the DVD) to develop the physicality to maximize its
capabilities.
So, in summary, what is the Running Dog Game? It is:
a) a way of standing up inside the Guard so as to establish the RD Posture
b) with the RD Posture established, the following options exist:
1) the signature move of the RD Game matrix: The RD pass over the
head, either taking a foot or hip lock, or simply
standing up first and punting his head or taking controls from
north-south. Typically the RD is facilitated by Kali Silat striking.
2) Kali Silat striking to knock out/TKO;
3) Kali Silat striking to "the Rico Kickover Heel Hook";
4) Kali Silat striking to shucking the legs over to standard MMA type
side control/knee on belly positions;
5) Kali Silat striking to shucking the legs over to Silat type leg
attacks.
One of the key insights that opened my understanding was that a goodly part
of the challenge of applying Kali Silat striking was facilitated by the fact
that the because the Guard player had the ground behind him he found it much
more difficult to move away from the traps, destructions, double timing and
triplet timing strikes of Kali Silat. That is why this material is ideal
for the second DVD covering our Kali Tudo subsystem-it is shockingly easy to
apply against many people. Of course, nothing works against every one!
Once this understanding is in place, the next step will be to apply it
standing-- both in open range and clinch.
In 2000 I showed the RD Game to my backyard group (with drive by guest
appearance by Top Dog) and filmed it as a "Vid-lesson" for instructors and
private students of the DBMA Association. Some of this footage now appears
in "KT2: The RD Game". It was precisely because of the efficacy of the
material that I held it back as a bit of a "secret weapon". My reasons for
changing my thinking in regard to secrecy are for a separate conversation on
some other day. For the moment it suffices that in some regards my thinking
has changed and that in September of 2008 I visited my good friend and hero
Dogzilla and the Hawaii Clan of the Dog Brothers where we shot the current
incarnation of the RD Game , , , as well as some other things that will
appear in KT 3 and KT 4 ;-)
So there it is: DBMA Kali Tudo (tm): The Running Dog Game.
The Adventure continues!
Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
Read More...
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By Crutch - 02-03-2009 10:23 PM
Originally Posted at: Deluxe Forums
====================
Posted at Guro Dennys direction.
Dog Brothers Kali Tudo T: The Running Dog Game---
Kali Silat vs. The Guard
By Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
In 1998 there was a big internet brouhaha about "Where's the trapping?" I
always felt the question a fair one. As I wrote at the time:
"Lets us begin by avoiding overstating things. We need to remember that in
the current environment that a lot of this stuff continues to work. When I
was in Brazil in June 1992 I showed Renzo Gracie the video from Paul Vunak:
"Headbutt, Elbow, Knees". I have the ringside video of Renzo's next vale
tudo fight in which he drills some guy he gets in the corner with this
precisely this structure.
"It is also important to remember that MANY situations that one might be in
are quite different from the cage. How many people would want to have to
close on concrete against a guy with good fast savate feet in cowboy boots?
Yeah, it can be done, but some of you are going to get seriously zipped in
the bladder. A straight blast might get you through a barroom ruckus to the
door better than a single leg takedown/side control/arm bar. Many bouncers
and others with lots of experience swear by trapping. So in my opinion we
should not get carried away with the "Where-is-the-trapping?" stuff.
"Still, there is a legitimate question in all this. Little of what we see
today is the way it is taught in many Jun Fan/Wing Chun or Kali/FMA classes
and , , , it is important to honestly raise this question."
END QUOTE
I also felt that the question had an answer-that the material was valid.
Allow me to begin my answer with an analogy: In engineering, different types
of strength are distinguished: compressive, tensile, shear, fatigue, etc.
(I hope that any engineering people amongst our readers will be kind with
any technical corrections of what follows.) My understanding is that
compressive strength is the ability to bear weight. For example, you can put
a lot of weight on concrete and it won't crumble. Tensile strength is the
ability to withstand a pull. Think of the metal cables of a suspension
bridge. Why aren't they made of concrete? The answer is that concrete has
lousy tensile strength and easily snaps when tested in this way.
Against the fighting structures used in the 60s and early 70s JF/WC trapping
structures worked. As Muay Thai came in this was less so. And as BJJ came in
it seemed even less so. It is as if the BJJ question tested the tensile
strength of concrete. Concrete is strong, but not in that way. The
challenge, as I see it, is the equivalent of learning to put "rebar" (those
metal rods that are laid out and tied together in a gridlike pattern) in
concrete; something is need to provide tensile strength.
Before continuing, I'd like to clarify the terminology a bit. To my present
way of thinking, "trapping" is simply a subset of Kali Silat striking and so
for me the deeper question is where is the Kali Silat striking? We have
heard the assertion of Kali and the other FMA that the motions of the empty
hand are like the motions of the weapons-and again the infuriating question
comes, "OK then, why is it not seen in the Cage?"
In my humble opinion, the answer is this. Although there are many people
skilled in the drills and skills of the FMA (which are sometimes mocked as
"tippy tap martial arts and crafts") the key point is that most of them have
never used these skills in the adrenal state. The only skills most people
have used in the adrenal state are based upon boxing and Americanized Muay
Thai tested in increasingly vigorous sparring that eventually becomes combat
sport. Thus, it simply is no surprise that when they find themselves in a
fight they use these skills and do not turn to their Kali Silat skill sets!
In short, what we do, what we experience in the adrenal state is the deepest
learning of all and as such it has a very strong tendency to supersede
skills trained without adrenaline.
This also answers the question why I at fifty six years of age and counting
I dare to seek to be someone who leads the way in establishing the validity
of the Kali Silat idiom of fighting in the Cage. Of course the obvious
logic is to leave it to some young lion to prove the theory with his deeds
as Royce Gracie shocked the larger martial arts world with the advent of the
UFC-I know that! The reason that in my humble opinion I remain relevant is
that I HAVE hit people with sticks and these movements to me represent
success in the adrenal state and I rely upon them in my own sparring.
Combined with my many years of training under Guro Dan Inosanto (including
as a private student) and other of the finest FMA, BJJ, and MMA teachers in
the world, I believe this enables me to convey the necessary understandings
to those who will actually step into the Cage.
Naturally the question arises whether any of our Kali Tudo T is relevant to
those without extensive FMA type weaponry training and the answer is yes,
but I must be candid. The mission statement of Dog Brothers Martial Arts is
"To Walk as a Warrior for all your days"-and this means a lifelong path for
the dangers of the real world, not just those of young male ritual
hierarchical combat. This means we seek a system that uses the same
underlying idioms of movement, regardless whether there are weapons and
regardless of the numbers involved. This is precisely the point why Dog
Brothers Martial Arts develops the subsystem of Kali Tudo T so we can use
the same idiom of movement both with weapons AND empty hand AND to test our
way of fighting empty hand in the adrenal state without concerns or
pretensions that what we do is "too deadly for the cage". In short, the
highest levels of Kali Tudo are achieved by including weaponry training.
There is no avoiding building the foundation. Those of you who put up the
walls before thinking about putting in the wiring, when the sun of youth
goes down you may find yourself in the dark. Conversely, those of you who
put in the wiring without building sturdy walls and a watertight roof will
may find yourself wet from a rain of blows , , ,
So how did "the Running Dog Game", which is the subject of Kali Tudo T 2
come about and why is it the subject of the second DVD on this subsystem of
ours?
In the aftermath of the aforementioned internet brouhaha of 1998, I began
searching for my answers to the question presented. About two years later I
had my first answer in something I called "The Running Dog Game".
The RDG had its genesis in an unusual guard pass I learned from Renato
Magno, BB in Machado BJJ, Pan Am BB Champion, and much more. In essence,
it involves passing the guard, and perhaps snatching a foot lock, while
running over the guard players head. Given my penchant for odd humor, I
nicknamed the technique "the Running Dog" which in leftist-Marxist lexicon
was a perceived calumny heaped upon the less powerful who benefited by
aligning themselves with the capitalist class. It seemed humorous to me to
embrace the insult of both my right wing "free minds and free markets"
perspective and my doggy nature.
As I explored in the horizontal world of the ground how to best set up the
Running Dog, I began to recognize reference points originally installed in
my previously vertical Kali Silat (and Jun Fan Gung Fu) training. Very
interesting! There were lots of successes, but also lots of getting
arm-barred and lots of getting backswept. With further exploration, I
developed "the Running Dog Posture" and developed a special exercise (which
is shown in the DVD) to develop the physicality to maximize its
capabilities.
So, in summary, what is the Running Dog Game? It is:
a) a way of standing up inside the Guard so as to establish the RD Posture
b) with the RD Posture established, the following options exist:
1) the signature move of the RD Game matrix: The RD pass over the
head, either taking a foot or hip lock, or simply
standing up first and punting his head or taking controls from
north-south. Typically the RD is facilitated by Kali Silat striking.
2) Kali Silat striking to knock out/TKO;
3) Kali Silat striking to "the Rico Kickover Heel Hook";
4) Kali Silat striking to shucking the legs over to standard MMA type
side control/knee on belly positions;
5) Kali Silat striking to shucking the legs over to Silat type leg
attacks.
One of the key insights that opened my understanding was that a goodly part
of the challenge of applying Kali Silat striking was facilitated by the fact
that the because the Guard player had the ground behind him he found it much
more difficult to move away from the traps, destructions, double timing and
triplet timing strikes of Kali Silat. That is why this material is ideal
for the second DVD covering our Kali Tudo subsystem-it is shockingly easy to
apply against many people. Of course, nothing works against every one!
Once this understanding is in place, the next step will be to apply it
standing-- both in open range and clinch.
In 2000 I showed the RD Game to my backyard group (with drive by guest
appearance by Top Dog) and filmed it as a "Vid-lesson" for instructors and
private students of the DBMA Association. Some of this footage now appears
in "KT2: The RD Game". It was precisely because of the efficacy of the
material that I held it back as a bit of a "secret weapon". My reasons for
changing my thinking in regard to secrecy are for a separate conversation on
some other day. For the moment it suffices that in some regards my thinking
has changed and that in September of 2008 I visited my good friend and hero
Dogzilla and the Hawaii Clan of the Dog Brothers where we shot the current
incarnation of the RD Game , , , as well as some other things that will
appear in KT 3 and KT 4 ;-)
So there it is: DBMA Kali Tudo (tm): The Running Dog Game.
The Adventure continues!
Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
Read More...
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