Clueless Academia strikes again...

[billc]

A professor decides that the troops fighting overseas do not need care packages...

http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011...can-soldiers-overseas-they-dont-deserve-them/

Thomas Walker at Iowa State University, where he is a lecturer “in the intensive English and orientation program”?
I read in Tuesday’s Iowa State Daily that the College Republicans have begun collecting sundries for U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why? Doesn’t the U.S. Army victual its soldiers? Don’t their families send them yuletide goodies? Aren’t GIs paid enough to buy what they need, and even what they want?
He goes on:
Necessities should be doled out to people who really need them and who might get them if not for the hundreds of billions of dollars being funneled to the Pentagon in the greatest squandering of money on the planet.
And on:
Why do Republicans care so much about the military? Because the military-industrial complex is dear to their simplistic laissez-faire fantasies: a bottom-line patriotism that excludes the people at the bottom.

 

[MJS]

On the flip side, the same could be said about the people this jackass is talking about....don't these people who 'really need these things' have families to give them things? I'm not too keen on doling out stuff to lazy *** people who make no effort to get a job, but thanks to that thing called welfare.....

Its really simple...if this jackass doesnt want to give anything, then dont! These people are giving their time, for our freedom. Maybe, since Tommy is so knowledgeable on the military, he could give up some of his time, head over seas and see what its like. I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't last a week.

 

[Bill Mattocks]

Not all of academia is clueless...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/2...-colleague-calls-care-packages-for-us-troops/

Law Professor Quits Job After Colleague Calls Care Packages for U.S. Troops 'Shameful'

Published November 22, 2011

| FoxNews.com
A law professor who is serving overseas in Afghanistan has quit his job at a Massachusetts university after a colleague sent out a controversial e-mail declaring it "shameful" to send care packages to U.S. troops.

U.S. Army Reserve Maj. Robert Roughsedge cut ties with Suffolk University in Boston in response to fellow law professor Michael Avery's defamatory e-mail regarding troops fighting overseas, Fox affiliate WFXT-TV reports.

Avery criticized a school-wide drive to collect supplies for soldiers overseas, writing in an email to colleagues: "I think it is shameful that it is perceived as legitimate to solicit in an academic institution for support for men and women who have gone overseas to kill other human beings."

 

[Tez3]

People here have been asked not to send service people in Afghan parcels but for a totally different reason. So many people were sending parcels addressed to 'a soldier' which while appreciated was clogging up the mail system and stopping service people getting mail from family and loved ones. It been asked that only those going to a named person out there are sent, but if people wanted to help they could contribute to any of the Forces charities.

 

[punisher73]

People here have been asked not to send service people in Afghan parcels but for a totally different reason. So many people were sending parcels addressed to 'a soldier' which while appreciated was clogging up the mail system and stopping service people getting mail from family and loved ones. It been asked that only those going to a named person out there are sent, but if people wanted to help they could contribute to any of the Forces charities.

At least it's a "good" problem to have.

Many people forget about alot of service professions across the board (medical, law, fire, etc.) that have to work through the holidays. But, being half way around the world from your family is a whole different kind of lonely I would think.

 

[Tez3]

Billi, why do you take the actions and comments of one person to mean all of his profession is that way? It clearly isn't true of the whole academic community because there's another academic who's a reserve soldier and who's resigned from his academic post thus proving it's not in fact Academia that's at fault but one thoughtless man.

 

[oftheherd1]

Billi, why do you take the actions and comments of one person to mean all of his profession is that way? It clearly isn't true of the whole academic community because there's another academic who's a reserve soldier and who's resigned from his academic post thus proving it's not in fact Academia that's at fault but one thoughtless man.

Well, actually at least two, since both mentioned are from different educational institutions. And I don't think it is any secret that teachers in general tend to be more liberal. Not all of course, but in general. At least that has been my observation.

That said, billcihak does have a decidedly conservative outlook on things, and posts so. Just as there are some whose outlook is decidedly liberal, and their posts reflect their outlook. I tend to be conservative myself, as I am sure people can gather from my posts. But not militantly so, and I don't agree with all conservatism I run across, nor disagree with all liberal points of view. (Don't shake the fence please!)

 

[Tez3]

Well, actually at least two, since both mentioned are from different educational institutions. And I don't think it is any secret that teachers in general tend to be more liberal. Not all of course, but in general. At least that has been my observation.

That said, billcihak does have a decidedly conservative outlook on things, and posts so. Just as there are some whose outlook is decidedly liberal, and their posts reflect their outlook. I tend to be conservative myself, as I am sure people can gather from my posts. But not militantly so, and I don't agree with all conservatism I run across, nor disagree with all liberal points of view. (Don't shake the fence please!)

To be honest I prefer fair and accurate to politically biased and inaccurate. In Academia along with everywhere else there will be a range of views so tarring them all the same and as clueless at that, is unfair. I'm sure the conservative academics with the same views as Billi won't be amused with his blanket condemnation. I can't comment on the liberal/conservative views as over here a liberal is very different from what it is to you.

 

[billc]

College professors tend very strongly to the liberal side of the political spectrum. Liberal professors, from what I have seen, do not understand the military and do not like the military. Here is another story...

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/g...pare-military-recruiters-to-sexual-predators/

So according to professors at the University of Washington’s Department of Global Health, military recruiters are no different than sexual predators in their “grooming” behavior of students.
Now, researcher Amy Hagopian, has since walked back this claim – saying she wasn’t comparing recruiters to sexual predators, just predators. Which begs the question: what kind of predators, then? Adults who want to steal their “So Sweet Boutique” bejeweled trinket box with 3D stickers and Fashion Pen?
On second thought, those are nice.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/files/2010/12/4001873429_11155437a4.jpg​

Anyway, to back up her insidious claim, Amy offers examples of predatory “grooming” behaviors of recruiters. On Dori Monson’s show, the prof says recruiters are encouraged to get involved during field trips and scorekeeping – which is what pedophiles might do.

 

[billc]

And another story...

http://communitycollegespotlight.org/content/professor-neh-funds-anti-u-s-revisionism_2592/

The required preparatory readings for the conference, as well as the scholarly presentations, sent an overriding message, Blake wrote.
The U.S. military and its veterans were attacked as an “imperialistic, oppressive force which has created and perpetuated its own mythology of liberation and heroism.” Participants were urged to see “the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor from the perspective of Japan being a victim of western oppression.” They were told:

War memorials, such as the Punchbowl National Memorial Cemetery (where many WWII dead are buried, including those executed by the Japanese on Wake Island and the beloved American journalist Ernie Pyle), are symbols of military aggression and brutality “that pacify death, sanitize war and enable future wars to be fought.”
​

The U.S. military was accused of system rapes, with no reference to “the mass-murders, rapes, mutilations of hundreds of thousands of Chinese at the hands of the Japanese throughout the 1930s and 40s.” Segregation in the military and the “occupation” of Germany after the war show ‘we were as capable of as much evil as the Germans,” one presenter said. Another compared the temporary relocation camps for Japanese-Americans to Nazi extermination camps.
Although war veterans were invited to a panel, speakers said their memories “are suspect and influenced by media and their own self-delusion.”

 

[billc]

And this...

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/cadet.asp


I have tried to highlight a portion of the article but it isn't working. Essentially, an airforce cadet was trying to organize a political discussion forum and recieved a nasty e-mail from a professor.

The professor used the terms baby killer and others in his response to the cadet.

 

[Sukerkin]

{deleted pointlessness}

 

[granfire]

{deleted pointlessness}

giving up?

 

[Sukerkin]

There comes a point when you have to accept that nothing you say makes a difference .

 

[Tez3]

There comes a point when you have to accept that nothing you say makes a difference .

True enough, despite the guidance against doing it Billi kepts putting posts one after the other as well as if more propaganda will make any difference.

How many professors do you think there are in the world? And all of them are 'liberal'...Billi talk for communist.

Military recruiters have always been scum btw lol, at least I suppose they've stopped tricking people into taking the shilling.

 

[Josh Oakley]

I don't see the problem Billcihak is clearly talking only about clueless Academia. Not all Academa. Obviously. Taking the statements of a part of a group to be necessarily representative of the collective whole would just be asinine. ​

 

[Tez3]

I don't see the problem Billcihak is clearly talking only about clueless Academia. Not all Academa. Obviously. Taking the statements of a part of a group to be necessarily representative of the collective whole would just be asinine. ​

His OP was about one college professor hardly academia at all, he added a couple more still not academia.How many college professors in the USA?

The title of the OP should have been 'Clueless ACADEMIC'

 

[oftheherd1]

True enough, despite the guidance against doing it Billi kepts putting posts one after the other as well as if more propaganda will make any difference.

Well, at least you get to know your "enemy's" point of view. :uhyeah: And we certainly have a few 'militant' liberals who post as well. If I were going to get mad at ultra-conservatives or ultra-liberal posters, I just wouldn't read their threads.
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I can't comment on the liberal/conservative views as over here a liberal is very different from what it is to you.

I didn't know that. Can you elaborate for my education? Thanks.

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Military recruiters have always been scum btw lol, at least I suppose they've stopped tricking people into taking the shilling.

I guess this goes along with your comment shown above, that where you are from recruiters are not considered good, honest, hard-working people? Actually, here in the USA, they have long had a reputation for telling lies to recruits. I don't doubt it has been true, and sometimes misunderstandings, and other times just not telling the whole truth. When I joined the US Army, I wanted to be Airborne and Infantry. The recruiter knew that. He signed me up for Airborne (they had a quota), and I assumed I would go to infantry school. I did not (but ended up in the infantry anyway). More recently there have been scandals about recruiters helping recruits tell lies on their applications so they could meet quotas. It's not right for any reason, but I tend to blame the system. If a recruiter is only graded on meeting a quota or not, with no extenuating or mitigating circumstances allowed, you encourage them to lie.

Just a loose two cents.

 

[Tez3]

Just a loose two cents.

Military recruiters here go back a few centuries and are known for being tricky! The naval ones used to press gang people and the army would trick people into taking the King's shilling to make them join up. The staff in recruiting offices here are know to be lying illegitimate persons. The Army here isn't regarded as being something noble, they are a necessary evil to most lol!. They don't do all that honour stuff, I've posted before about our lads, they are all rogues but I love em.

The Liberals here aren't socialists, that's the Labour Party. Liberals here have a long history, they started out as the Whigs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

from these you can Google the actual parties websites and their manifestos etc.