ASP (telescoping paton)

[Rick Wade]

OK I know the asp would be used like a club or kenpo stick but the weighting is diffrent and it telescopes; I was wondering what if any special aspect do you consider if any of you are teaching the asp?

V/R
Rick

 

[arnisador]

There's been a litle discussion of it on the board before--not much. Note that it may not be legal to carry it everywhere. I've got one, but just to experiment with on my own.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7433
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6467
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11539

 

[8253]

just playing around with it just to see what you can do with it seems to work well with weapons of this type.

 

[shesulsa]

I'm certified in collapsible baton level 1 and assist my teacher in training local police, sherriffs and security personnell in CB1.

First of all, if you decide to invest in one, get a steel one that must be manually extended. ASP makes a good product...don't go for a lightweight version, it will bend and fail.

When extending your CB, grip it as you would an escrima at the base. If you are drawing it out of its holster, you can flick it outward and downward with a sharp striking motion (as though you were to strike the shins of someone next to you). Done correctly with a superior product, you will not have extent failure.

In use, go for the center of mass as the cops do, because when you're in front of the 12, they will expect the same criteria for you, even if you'r ignorant to it. Using a flicking motion, strike at a downward angle, that is to say not on a plane straight up and down or side to side - angle inward and downward from one shoulder toward the opposite hip. Strike the ball tip against the Pecs (especially over the heart, but be careful), gut, thighs (front and back). Save the head for if he pulls a knife.

In Washington state, the law just changed that you can now use the extended baton to strike and damage the offending appendage...next step up, firearm.

To collapse, step backward with your opposite leg and keep your head up, reverse your grip and thrust the ball directly into the cement/concrete to collapse.

When collapsed, you can use the CB to aid in joint locks, to club and strike as you would use a small stick.

Hwarang.

 

[Rick Wade]

There's been a litle discussion of it on the board before--not much. Note that it may not be legal to carry it everywhere. I've got one, but just to experiment with on my own.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7433
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6467
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11539

Thanks for the info

 

[Stick Dummy]

"I'm certified in collapsible baton level 1 and assist my teacher in training local police, sherriffs and security personnell in CB1."



I'm curious, please excuse my ignorance, what does this mean ? P.O.S.T. certification.

FWIW - The 2 Lightweight ASP batons (21" and 26") that I've been using for assisting with some fairly large ASP certification classes over the past 6 months have yet to fail......
I like them cuz they're a purty silver color, and just a wee bit faster to swing with my spindly little size.

The only batons we have seen fail are those cheap *** P.O.S. copies/imports, you get what you pay for.


My feelings from a couple years of attempting to "learn" IKKO Kenpo are that the collapsible Batons would work extremely well with many of the techniques, kinda like that Kenpo/Karambit synergy.

Example: Seig was showing me blocking set #2 last night and in either mode- closed or open - there are endless possibilities.

 

[KenpoTex]

Just my $0.02, I prefer the Monnadonock (sp?) batons over the A.S.P.'s for a couple of reasons, 1) they have a push-button lock so you don't have to knock a hole through the sidewalk trying to close them, the ball-bearing action also means you can open them simply by pulling them lengthwise rather than flicking them open. This is nice if you're trying to be discreet. However, if you do choose to flick it open it doesn't require as much force as the A.S.P. and 2) I like the "safety-tips" that you can get on them b/c they add weight to the tip which, in my oppinion, give the baton better balance.
As far as using them in techniques etc. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be extremely effective...I sure don't want to get hit with one

 

[Michael Billings]

Just my $0.02, I prefer the Monnadonock (sp?) batons over the A.S.P.'s for a couple of reasons, 1) they have a push-button lock so you don't have to knock a hole through the sidewalk trying to close them, the ball-bearing action also means you can open them simply by pulling them lengthwise rather than flicking them open. This is nice if you're trying to be discreet. However, if you do choose to flick it open it doesn't require as much force as the A.S.P. and 2) I like the "safety-tips" that you can get on them b/c they add weight to the tip which, in my oppinion, give the baton better balance.
As far as using them in techniques etc. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be extremely effective...I sure don't want to get hit with one

Thanks for the info.

-Michael

 

[rschoon]

I'm curious, please excuse my ignorance, what does this mean ? P.O.S.T. certification.

Police Officers Standards and Training.

Each state has one. Also many states have thier Probation, Parole, and Detention Officers attend. Also many are 10 plus weeks long for the basic certification.

 

[Stick Dummy]

Rick Thanks!

I know what P.O.S. T is, what interested me was Shesulsa's mention of :

"I'm certified in collapsible baton level 1 and assist my teacher in training local police, sherriffs and security personnell in CB1."