aikido style differances

[ct111]

I currently take kenpo karate but also have great interest in learning aikido. i have been told their are 3 differant types or styles of aikido. i was curious if someone out could explain the differances to me .thanks ct111

 

[arnisador]

Check out old threads in this forum, e.g.:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=840

 

[CrankyDragon]

Your welcome to visit our school's site and ask about Nihon Goshin Aikido.... I think Jeff may chime in and offer some of his knowledge. I am a beginner so I dont want to offer too much information in anticipation I may offer incorrect data.

NGA does have kicks and punches and strikes. Of the soft styles, ours is a "hard" style. Our style focuses on what is practical in real life.

Andrew

 

[Yari]

i was curious if someone out could explain the differances to me .thanks ct111

That would be very difficult. In some sense the difference is in the movement, but not in the intention, and sometimes oppesite.

Most Aikido schools (from Ueshiba) ares based on principle, rather that the excat technique. But cetain ways of getting to that principle is the reason you see different styles.

/Yari

 

[theletch1]

That would be very difficult. In some sense the difference is in the movement, but not in the intention, and sometimes oppesite.

Most Aikido schools (from Ueshiba) ares based on principle, rather that the excat technique. But cetain ways of getting to that principle is the reason you see different styles.

/Yari

Yet another excellent observation, my friend. Nihon Goshin is very much the same. I've often believed that the techniques are simply different ways of convincing us of the correctness of the principles. I've seen kotegaeshi done a dozen different ways with varying degrees of damage done to uke. The principles involved are generally the same basic ones if you're talking about physical technique. If you begin talking about philosophical principles then you start seeing some decent divergence from one style to another.

 

[arnisador]

I've often believed that the techniques are simply different ways of convincing us of the correctness of the principles.

We feel similarly in arnis!

 

[Yari]

We feel similarly in arnis!

I've practiced Arnis too, and that's my feeling of it too. I love arnis it's a wonderful stye.

/Yari

 

[t-bone1972]

It is commonly thought that tomiki(spell check?) is the most aggressive style of aikido is this true?

 

[arnisador]

Well, I don't know that 'aggressive' is the word I'd use, but it's one of the more physical branches, yes.

 

[theletch1]

I think you could consider it a bit more aggresive in that there is more emphasis on offensive techniques and I believe atemi is more of a focal point. I don't know that ANY style of aikido could truly be considered aggresive but if you look at Tomiki as relative to most other styles of aikido then, yes, I suppose your assumption would be appropriate.

 

[JAMJTX]

Being competetive in nature, Shodokan (AKA Tomiki Aikido) would require aggression. A competition with 2 non-agressive adversaries would not be much of a competition. But then again, this is not pure Aikido it is Aikido and Judo.

There are, however, some aspects of Yoshinkan that I would call aggressive.

 

[arnisador]

Yoshinkan is (or was) the style taught to police in Japan, isn't it?

 

[Yari]

That's what I've heard.

/Yari

 

[jujutsu_indonesia]

People with Jujutsu background, I recommend to check out the Tomiki Aikido style. It has a fantastic set of training forms called the Koryu Goshin Jutsu no Kata which is basically the self-defense forms taken from Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu. Much of the techniques looks very very similar to the Hakko-ryu Jujutsu I learned from my teacher in Indonesia. Tomiki Aikido is very practical, "to the point", and has a sparring method to hone their skills. To me personally it is the best Aikido style for people who wants to learn self-defense.

 

[theletch1]

People with Jujutsu background, I recommend to check out the Tomiki Aikido style. It has a fantastic set of training forms called the Koryu Goshin Jutsu no Kata which is basically the self-defense forms taken from Daito-ryu Aiki Jujutsu. Much of the techniques looks very very similar to the Hakko-ryu Jujutsu I learned from my teacher in Indonesia. Tomiki Aikido is very practical, "to the point", and has a sparring method to hone their skills. To me personally it is the best Aikido style for people who wants to learn self-defense.

How would the sparring method relate to the randori that we use in our dojo? Person 1 attacks person 2 defends, gets up and immediately attacks again. This is done on a freeform context with out either party knowing what the other is going to do beforehand. I've always found that randori was a great exercise. You get to react naturally to an attack and become progressively more fatigued as the session goes on and therefore have to rely more and more on proper technique and less on muscling the tech.

 

[jujutsu_indonesia]

How would the sparring method relate to the randori that we use in our dojo? Person 1 attacks person 2 defends, gets up and immediately attacks again. This is done on a freeform context with out either party knowing what the other is going to do beforehand. I've always found that randori was a great exercise. You get to react naturally to an attack and become progressively more fatigued as the session goes on and therefore have to rely more and more on proper technique and less on muscling the tech.

Mr. Theletch, your randori sounds like something we call Goshinjutsu Randori (or in the JJIF, it's the Duo system). We practice something like that in our Dojo, and yes it's a GREAT exercise. However the Tomiki randori that I know of is very different. It is called tanto randori, it is like this, one person has a knife and is free to stab the other person (but only use straight thrust), the other person must defend but is only allowed to use Ju-Nanahon technique (17 techniques) only, no other technique allowed. Ju-Nanahon is a set of specific 17 techniques designed for this type of randori.

If the knifer struck the defender, the knifer got a point, and if the defender defend successfully using throws/locks, he got a point. Both players accumulate points for a specified time period, then switch roles, then in the end of the game the scores are added and the one with larger score wins.

So in this randori type, your technique must be good also, not just speed, timing, etc. Very difficult, but the Japanese seems to love it!

 

[theletch1]

Sounds like a blast! I think I may approach my instructor with this idea and see if he'll go for it as a training tool. Our techniques would be restricted to those techniques that the lower ranking person has already been taught.

 

[jujutsu_indonesia]

Sounds like a blast! I think I may approach my instructor with this idea and see if he'll go for it as a training tool. Our techniques would be restricted to those techniques that the lower ranking person has already been taught.

Sure, give it a try! I watch a tape from this Tomiki Randori tournament at is is very exciting. I think there are some more info in the Internet about this, just type Tomiki Aikido Randori into google.com and see what we can come up with. BTW, using real knife are not recommended

 

[theletch1]

I thought I'd try to revive this thread as it has a great deal of merit for not just those new to the art but for those of us who haven't had exposure to some of the other forms of aikido in the world. How does your aikido differ from other styles that you've seen? What makes your aikido your aikido?

 

[Monadnock]

I thought I'd try to revive this thread as it has a great deal of merit for not just those new to the art but for those of us who haven't had exposure to some of the other forms of aikido in the world. How does your aikido differ from other styles that you've seen? What makes your aikido your aikido?

I just got back from Japan and had the wonderful opportunity to take a class at the Aikikai Hombu as well as at a Yoshinkan school. The differences were very obvious, each style with it's own feel. I truely enjoyed them both.

Here in the US I do not train true Aikido, but a derived system that has Aiki- in it. So I guess I can't really compare there, other than sometimes we tend to "go with the attacker's flow" and sometimes we don't.